From owner-freebsd-current Mon Dec 13 15: 4:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mailext02.compaq.com (mailext02.compaq.com [207.18.199.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4004815407; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:04:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: by mailext02.compaq.com (Postfix, from userid 12345) id 8157C9A82F; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:04:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailint01.im.hou.compaq.com (mailint01.compaq.com [207.18.199.34]) by mailext02.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A6590D82; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:04:17 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailint01.im.hou.compaq.com (Postfix, from userid 12345) id 69145825CA; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:04:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (unknown [155.186.83.42]) by mailint01.im.hou.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F5E78B42; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:04:09 -0600 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00899; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:29:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:29:29 -0600 From: Greg Lehey To: Peter Wemm Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , Brad Knowles , Mike Smith , Julian Elischer , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired! Message-ID: <19991211122928.D760@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <19991210160247.DF62D1CA0@overcee.netplex.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <19991210160247.DF62D1CA0@overcee.netplex.com.au>; from peter@netplex.com.au on Sat, Dec 11, 1999 at 12:02:47AM +0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, 11 December 1999 at 0:02:47 +0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: >> -On [19991209 16:03], Greg Lehey (grog@mojave.sitaranetworks.com) wrote: >>> On Wednesday, 8 December 1999 at 20:23:24 +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: >>>> >>>> This is -CURRENT. It pains me to say it, but anyone trying to >>>> run anything "useful" on -CURRENT gets what they deserve. This is >>>> the only place where we can make clean breaks with the past, and as >>>> painful as that can be, we simply have to do that occasionally. >>> >>> Next month it'll be -RELEASE. This isn't the time to remove such >>> significant functionality. If it weren't for that, I'd agree with >>> you. >> >> Think about that some more. >> >> After that it will be 4.1. Nice to give people a driver and then rip it >> out when 4.1 comes when Soren fixes the last of the things people >> needed to have into the ata driver. >> >> I was already testing the ata driver and even procured some more info >> for Soren than he already had. Same goes for a bunch of other people. >> But the opposite goes for a lot of people. >> >> People running CURRENT to be cutting edge as in being elite with the >> latest FreeBSD thus get bitten. >> >> I'd say, cut loose the wd driver. (VoxWare removed would be cool too.) > > If half as much energy was spent adding the missing bits of functionality > to the new systems as people have been spending complaining it then we'd be > there ages ago. Trying desperately to prolong the agony by keeping the old > stuff on life support is counter productive. There's more than energy involved. We need the hardware. > Damn it people! If you want cyrix busmaster support, then the code > is there, it's not all that hard to extract and adapt the cyrix code > to ata. If you have got cyrix hardware and can test your work, then > even better. Who are you talking to? The relatively non-technical people who buy the CDs because they know that FreeBSD is a reliable, no-problems operating system. Then they discover that functionality they had is gone again. Send that to /. and smoke it. Like it or not, we have a reputation to maintain. We have to live up to expectations. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message