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[5.228.253.252]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id yu8sm1294504lbb.26.2015.03.05.06.04.05 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 05 Mar 2015 06:04:05 -0800 (PST) Sender: Dmitry Sivachenko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) Subject: Re: svn commit: r279603 - in head: bin/rcp usr.bin/rlogin usr.bin/rsh From: Dmitry Sivachenko In-Reply-To: <20150305123548.GO17947@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 17:04:02 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <48981079-C9B7-411D-87A3-5A8F04924314@FreeBSD.org> References: <201503042201.t24M1jDG009278@svn.freebsd.org> <20150305114828.GK17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305122103.GA90978@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305122359.GM17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305123016.GO48476@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305123053.GN17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305123349.GP48476@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305123548.GO17947@FreeBSD.org> To: Gleb Smirnoff X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin , src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Slawa Olhovchenkov X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 14:04:09 -0000 > On 5 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=82=D0=B0 2015 =D0=B3., at 15:35, Gleb = Smirnoff wrote: >=20 > On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 03:33:50PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > S> > On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 03:30:16PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov = wrote: > S> > S> > On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 03:21:03PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov = wrote: > S> > S> > S> > On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 10:01:45PM +0000, Baptiste = Daroussin wrote: > S> > S> > S> > B> Author: bapt > S> > S> > S> > B> Date: Wed Mar 4 22:01:44 2015 > S> > S> > S> > B> New Revision: 279603 > S> > S> > S> > B> URL: = https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/279603 > S> > S> > S> > B>=20 > S> > S> > S> > B> Log: > S> > S> > S> > B> r* commands are not precious anymore > S> > S> > S> > B> > S> > S> > S> > B> Modified: > S> > S> > S> > B> head/bin/rcp/Makefile > S> > S> > S> > B> head/usr.bin/rlogin/Makefile > S> > S> > S> >=20 > S> > S> > S> > I guess when they are going to be not precious enough = to be removed? :) > S> > S> > S> >=20 > S> > S> > S> > In modern world of ssh and https, does any OS require = them in base? > S> > S> > S>=20 > S> > S> > S> yes. > S> > S> > S> Some telecom equipment require rlogin. > S> > S> >=20 > S> > S> > Other telecom equipment require a JRE and special .jar to > S> > S> > configure them. Does that mean operating systems must ship > S> > S> > them? > S> > S>=20 > S> > S> Yes, if ships before (don't break if working). > S> > S> Some Linux distro remove telnet from default install. > S> > S> Do you like to remove telnet also? > S> >=20 > S> > Yes. > S>=20 > S> And how to test open/listing ports/sockets?! >=20 > nc(1), which is a pure socket testing tool. For telnet(1) this > capability is a side effect. >=20 > S> How to connect to mpd control socket?! >=20 > pkg install mpd5 telnet >=20 OMG, please do not make nightmare one have on Linux or Solaris. = Everything can be installed form packages but it is so inconvenient! It is so nice to have most useful stuff out of the box. Does it hurt = you? Having all these things in base is so cool, please do not make = Lego constructor everyone must use. Disks are so large and cheap these days.