From owner-freebsd-current Sun Jan 28 3:20:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from syncopation-01.iinet.net.au (syncopation-01.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C46B37B400 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 03:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11902 invoked by uid 666); 28 Jan 2001 11:28:13 -0000 Received: from reggae-03-162.nv.iinet.net.au (HELO elischer.org) (203.59.78.162) by mail.m.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 11:28:13 -0000 Message-ID: <3A74006C.518630F2@elischer.org> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 03:20:12 -0800 From: Julian Elischer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en, hu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Murray Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel threading: the first steps [patch] References: <3A73E5E8.79891C01@elischer.org> <200101280958.f0S9wDW18902@gratis.grondar.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark Murray wrote: > > > > This is the single most flagrant lack of cooperation I have experienced > > > while working with the FreeBSD Project. I'm truly dumbfounded. > > > > It's not a lack of co-operation.. it's a lack of communication. I didn't > > see an any lists that anyone was doing this yet and thought I'd get > > the ball rolling to promote discussion.. I'm dumfounded to discover that you've > > done work here already as I thought I'd have heard of it. I'm sad you > > take it as an insult. All I want is to start discussion, and I was doing > > it as a way of clarifying my thoughts as to what wqas needed. > > Um, Julian - I have known about this for a good couple of months. I > can't remember specifically _how_ I know; suffice to say there has > been a fair bit of dialogue on the lists and Jason's progress-page > has a good overview. > > http://people.freebsd.org/~jasone/smp/ Ok so I had another look and I was mostly right the first time.. That is the SMP page. This is kernel support for threading.. A differnt issue. There is no mention on the SMP progress page of ANYONE splitting the process structure. Looking around his site I found the 'kse' page http://people.freebsd.org/~jasone/kse previously I only knew of http://people.freebsd.org/~jasone/refs/freebsd_kse/freebsd_kse.html From the newly found page I see that indeed he has reported having done this.. But I didn't know about that page before. I sent a mail on the topic on November 26 to -arch (where threading conversation was based) and with JasonE specifically CC'd. So he cannot claim that he wasn't informed. (others reponded to the mail so I know it went out). (He didn't respond) If he had bothered to answer my mail with the fact that he had just done this a few days before, I would have been delighted. Since I was the person that was instrumental in pusing the KSE model forward, I find it strange that Jason didn't let me know what was going on. I only found this page because I figured that there must be something there that I didn't know about, after others (the first being phk) told me that "Hey Jason's already done that". I'm on -arch, -current and -smp and I didn't see any comments on this. Blaming me is the wrong direction to point the finger.. we just need to ensure that all players know what is currently being discussed where. In any case it was only a 5 hour hack so if I've duplicated his work I've only wasted 5 hours of my time. I'm pleased that Jason did this and I'm trying to find out where I can get a copy of his work to look at. > > M > -- > Mark Murray > Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- __--_|\ Julian Elischer / \ julian@elischer.org ( OZ ) World tour 2000-2001 ---> X_.---._/ v To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message