From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 12 22:29:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-201-166.mmcable.com [65.31.201.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB77B37B41B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:29:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 71473 invoked by uid 100); 13 Dec 2001 06:29:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15384.19146.990082.336336@guru.mired.org> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:29:30 -0600 To: "Technical Information" , "FreeBSD Chat" Subject: Re: EzBSD aint for me! Was: A breath of fresh air.. In-Reply-To: <004901c1839d$b273c440$0a00000a@atkielski.com> References: <20011211140107.A67653@FreeBSD.org> <0112071641320B.01380@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> <01121010202100.00345@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> <20011211144049.A14693@acidpit.org> <20011211214943.A4489@tisys.org> <15382.29599.349155.309028@guru.mired.org> <20011211230257.A5157@tisys.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20011212181551.015734a8@threespace.com> <15384.11772.363959.693167@guru.mired.org> <003701c18398$07091d30$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15384.17244.476714.955574@guru.mired.org> <004901c1839d$b273c440$0a00000a@atkielski.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA v0.42/Python 2.1.1 (freebsd4) From: "Mike Meyer" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anthony Atkielski types: > Mike writes: > > You really should only answer questions about > > someone's intent when they are addressed to you. > They were. Otherwise the message would have been sent only to the intended > recipient. No they weren't. They were addressed to a member of a list. > > How anyone with any experience doing IT could > > claim that you don't need those skills for > > Windows is beyond me. > I've observed many Windows users who prove the point. And I've never observed one, and have observed many who prove the exact opposite. > > To get email and browsing working on Windows, > > you need an expert to set everything up - and > > maintain everything - for you. > Do you? If so, that does not bode well for doing the same with UNIX, does > it? Ok, I was wrong - you don't need an expert to set up and install a Unix box on the network. Which happens to be true, assuming you've got the right Unix distribution and network. > I know lots of people who have taken PCs out of boxes and set them up with > no expert help at all. Including e-mail and browsing. Really? They installed Windows on them, and got them configured to talk to their choice of ISP with no outside help from anyone at all, and had no prior experience with computers? I've never seen anyone do that. Everyone I know had Windows installed by someone else, and required some outside assistance - usually in the form of a CDROM from their ISP - to get their network configured. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message