From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 30 03:12:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6A616A41F for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 03:12:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from takeo@ss.jip.co.jp) Received: from tukuda.jip.co.jp (tukuda.jip.co.jp [202.32.98.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BEFC443DA0 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 03:12:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from takeo@ss.jip.co.jp) Received: (qmail 81690 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2005 03:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hakuryuu.ss.jip.co.jp) (133.227.39.8) by tukuda.jip.co.jp with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 03:12:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 11547 invoked by uid 504); 30 Nov 2005 12:12:09 +0900 Received: from emifuku.ss.jip.co.jp (133.227.39.145) by hakuryuu.ss.jip.co.jp with SMTP; 30 Nov 2005 12:12:09 +0900 To: jhb@freebsd.org, postmaster@jp.FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:28:31 -0500". <200511291328.32727.jhb@freebsd.org> From: takeo@ss.jip.co.jp (Takeo Hashimoto) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.22PL7] 2003-09/29(Mon) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:12:09 +0900 Message-ID: <051130121209.M0301416@emifuku.ss.jip.co.jp> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 03:20:01 +0000 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org, hashimototakeo@mac.com, takeo@ss.jip.co.jp Subject: Re: advocacy/89731: TOO MANY SPAMs on jp.freebsd.org's mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 03:12:39 -0000 Hi all. # Sorry from another 'from' address, # but I am the sender of advocacy/89731. On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:28:31 -0500 John Baldwin wrote: >On Tuesday 29 November 2005 12:36 pm, Takeo Hashimoto wrote: >> >Description: >> >> there are too many spams on jp.freebsd.org's mailing list. >> - newbie can not find any kind of know-how from ML archive site. >> - almost expert user are disappointed at miserable state of community. >> - oldie does not think about mass happiness. >> - once you post article to lists, spammer get your address from archive. >> - waste network traffic and server resource. >> - distinct honor of "FreeBSD is a freedom for spammer" > >Note that FreeBSD.org doesn't administer the services on jp.FreeBSD.org. >Instead, jp.FreeBSD.org is delegated to a separate group that manages all of >the resources for jp.FreeBSD.org including DNS, mailing lists, etc. You need >to contact the folks there via postmaster@jp.FreeBSD.org. Note also that >spam is an unfortunate reality and that there is only so much that a public >mailing list run by volunteers in their spare time can do. > >-- I know that jp.FreeBSD.org is just one of sub domain of FreeBSD.org, and FreeBSD.org doesn't administer it, and FreeBSD.org doesn't have a fault about this. But spam damages FreeBSD own honor. I think that this is a whole FreeBSD problem, and I think that only FreeBSD.org can make jp.FreeBSD.org change. # so I did send-pr. Of course I know the admins of jp.freebsd.org are busy. I respect thier volunteer mind, but sorry to say, the way admin do it is arbitrary. I think transparency and democracy is necessary for a decision on will, like a core team. OK, we can protect our mailbox by some filter. but spam pollutes ML archive (on the web) and spammer can get more reachable addresses. That is not an individual problem. that is a matter of ML management policy. and it should be changed to get happiness of the majority. Admins are volunteer, and they don't have much time, so we have to search the solution which get the biggest effect by the minimum cost. I think "restrict_post" is the answer. #----------------------------------------------------------# # Takeo Hashimoto. sempre ff. # #----------------------------------------------------------#