From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 13 8:54: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502AE14D21 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:53:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13612; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:53:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:53:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Brett Glass Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , Stephen McKay , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: When they came for Brett In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990912185632.04af8df0@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Brett Glass wrote: > At 04:47 PM 9/12/99 -0400, Brett Taylor wrote: > >This is not always true. If you form your questions/comments so that they > >are very very specific he will ignore them. He recently said he'd been > >doing a lot of advocacy and Jordan, among others, noted that we haven't > >seen any of these articles. > That's because I already answered the same question for someone else, > not more than a week ago, on this list. Okay - I certainly missed that answer. Scrolling back through the lists and such I found your reply (and thanks to Donald Tyson for forwarding it to me). Having gone through your links, I found _one_ article that was recent - July 12, 1999 in Smart Reseller. I certainly don't recall seeing the link to that story ever posted here, but there you go. That said, this is another "GPL vs. BSD" article which IMO isn't needed - this has been beaten to death innumerable times and frankly I regret Daemon News playing this up as much as we have. All this ever does is start flames. It certainly doesn't cause legions of people who use Linux to switch over. Note here that both Jordan and I had been asking about _recent_ articles and this is the only recent thing I could find (other than all of the talkback on zdnet and the occasional times I've seen you in /. comments. In my opinion, and of course this is my opinion, Jordan's work at cons, getting interviews, and handing out buttons does a lot more to switch people than constantly harping on the GPL. While I don't particularly like the GPL, I can't see how preaching to the masses will cause them to suddenly abandon it. In my opinion effective advocacy is done hand to hand. Talking to individual people or groups of users and showing them how BSD is better/easier/more powerful works. You said at one point that you have a users group there so you are certainly doing this. In addition I think you can do effective advocacy in print by telling people why BSD is better at _______, rather than just saying it has a better license. > Funny: I've noted that when I repeat myself for the benefit of people > who have ignored my earlier postings, those who wish to discredit me > -- or discourage others from reading my messages -- claim that I do > nothing but say the same things over and over. But if I don't respond > to the redundant queries, I'm told that I must not have a good answer. > Aha! Catch-22! This is what's known as being "trolled." The object is > either to discredit the target, wear him or her out, or waste his or > her time. Your earlier message seemed well-meaning and friendly, but > after this one I must ask: is this your intent as well? I hope not. No but if I specifically asked you I expected that you might, in private email, send me a list of your recent publications. I didn't figure that was much to ask, especially since you could have just forwarded me your email to Donald (since I missed that - my fault) or just told me to go dig through the list. I'm sorry I missed your post. But I also wanted an actual list, not "go search here." Anyway, enough of this. Good luck on your project. Brett ***************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message