From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Oct 24 16:53:09 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA1C171E4D for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 16:53:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from kib.kiev.ua (kib.kiev.ua [IPv6:2001:470:d5e7:1::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46zYGD6Y6hz42hh for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 16:53:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from tom.home (kib@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kib.kiev.ua (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x9OGr0jr008619 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 24 Oct 2019 19:53:03 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 kib.kiev.ua x9OGr0jr008619 Received: (from kostik@localhost) by tom.home (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x9OGr0oU008618; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 19:53:00 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: tom.home: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 19:52:59 +0300 From: Konstantin Belousov To: Warner Losh Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Heads up: Bumping Minimum build version to 11. Message-ID: <20191024165259.GY73312@kib.kiev.ua> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.2 (2019-09-21) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FROM, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tom.home X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46zYGD6Y6hz42hh X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2001:470:d5e7:1::1 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of kostikbel@gmail.com) smtp.mailfrom=kostikbel@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all:c]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-2.76), ipnet: 2001:470::/32(-4.60), asn: 6939(-3.45), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[gmail.com : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 16:53:09 -0000 On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:47:01AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm in the process of bumping the minimum version of FreeBSD needed to > build from 10.3 to 11.x (still working on the x bit). There's other issues > with 11, but those are being addressed separately. > > 10.x can't built current because it's C++ compiler is too old. There's no > easy way to fix this because it can't build llvm w/o a lot of hacks, which > aren't productive. Upstream has moved away from using constructs that are > supported by clang 3.4.1 / g++ 2.4.1, and our policy is to not try when > that's happened as we will diverge from upstream for a feature that gives > very little benefit to our users. > > To that end, I plan on bumping the minimum version needed to build -current > to 11.0 (assuming that the tests are successful). I also plan on removing / > retiring all the workarounds for pre 11 build systems, as is our normal > custom. While technically the project minimum is only the tip of -stable, > we can relax this through the efforts of those wishing it to work. > Historically we've done several major revisions back due to various needs > of our users, though with clang that's becoming more difficult (hence the > need to bump the minimum up to 11). > > This is just a heads up that we're changing things to reflect the new > realities on the ground so others don't hit build errors later in the build > process. HEAD on stable/11 is not buildable anyway, due to the lack of the private lib infrastructure. I believe we only supported buiild of HEAD on latest stable branch, and there you needed a latest release or post-release stable.