From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 10 15:10:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B26106566B for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:10:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BF28FC12 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:10:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Status: No X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.9, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90) X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-ID: p0AFAcoQ018131 Received: from gkeramidas-glaptop.linux.gr ([74.125.57.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id p0AFAcoQ018131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:10:44 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Ed Smith References: <4D2B036B.40503@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:10:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4D2B036B.40503@gmail.com> (Ed Smith's message of "Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:02:35 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:10:54 -0000 On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:02:35 -0500, Ed Smith wrote: > This seems bizarre. Logically, it would seem better to do a split like > vim (bare vim - what you would expect) and xvim (vim with X11) similar > to how emacs does emacs/xemacs. XEmacs[1] is not 'Emacs with X11 support', but a very different editor. The main GNU Emacs port (editors/emacs) does include support for X11, and it's actually a lot more pleasant to use under X window. [1] http://xemacs.org/ Its name is certainly slightly confusing now that people have gotten accustomed to all the 'foo' vs. 'xfoo' ports, but the XEmacs editor has been around for a *long* time, so let's not confuse it for something very different from what it is :)