From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 14:21:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31670505; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 14:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cloud.theravensnest.org", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0069E44; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 14:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dhcp-172-17-156-6.eduroam.wireless.private.cam.ac.uk (global-1-26.nat.csx.cam.ac.uk [131.111.184.26]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t25EL4pu050590 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Mar 2015 14:21:06 GMT (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: theravensnest.org: Host global-1-26.nat.csx.cam.ac.uk [131.111.184.26] claimed to be dhcp-172-17-156-6.eduroam.wireless.private.cam.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) Subject: Re: svn commit: r279603 - in head: bin/rcp usr.bin/rlogin usr.bin/rsh From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: <20150305141334.GX48476@zxy.spb.ru> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 14:20:59 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <63BD8258-D2C9-4C94-8A54-63AA104871D9@FreeBSD.org> References: <201503042201.t24M1jDG009278@svn.freebsd.org> <20150305114828.GK17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305122103.GA90978@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305122359.GM17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305123016.GO48476@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305123053.GN17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305123349.GP48476@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305123548.GO17947@FreeBSD.org> <48981079-C9B7-411D-87A3-5A8F04924314@FreeBSD.org> <20150305141334.GX48476@zxy.spb.ru> To: Slawa Olhovchenkov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Cc: Baptiste Daroussin , src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Gleb Smirnoff , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, Dmitry Sivachenko X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 14:21:09 -0000 On 5 Mar 2015, at 14:13, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >=20 > Not better, no. Does telnet support creating server sockets? No. =20 Does telnet support IPsec? No. Does telnet let you specify the tcp window size? No. Does telnet come with a massive selection of options for insecure login = / authentication? Yes. Telnet is a tool for insecure remote access. nc is a tool for creating = and debugging socket connections. > telnet more verbose (and by default and more). 'nc -v' is less to type than 'telnet' and provides *more* debugging = support via -D. > And what about 'tools, not policy'? What about it? We provide a tool that *is designed for creating and = debugging sockets*. You instead want a tool for insecure remote login = that happens to sort-of work for creating and debugging sockets and your = justification for wanting it is that you can use it for debugging = sockets. =46rom your previous posts, you've clearly not read the nc man page and = have absolutely no idea what it is capable of. Why not spent five = minutes learning about the tool that we provide that is *designed = specifically for your requirements* and then suggest places where it = could be improved for your needs, rather than insisting that we provide = you with a hammer so that you can keep bashing screws into walls? David