From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 15 19:24:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B476A16A4CE; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:24:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [195.170.0.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0A243D5A; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:24:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a202.otenet.gr [212.205.215.202]) i9FJOl7S010988; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:24:48 +0300 Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i9FJOkP9001020; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:24:46 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id i9FJOiX5001019; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:24:44 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:24:44 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Tom Connolly Message-ID: <20041015192444.GB819@gothmog.gr> References: <20041013043623.GB760@eucla.lemis.com> <007801c4b2cc$8e9b2020$9a11a8c0@d3stomc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <007801c4b2cc$8e9b2020$9a11a8c0@d3stomc> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: topposting (was: colourization in ls command) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:24:54 -0000 On 2004-10-15 09:35, Tom Connolly wrote: > Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > On Tuesday, 12 October 2004 at 17:09:29 -0600, Tom Connolly wrote: > >> There is a nice little tool for Outlook users, [...] > >> > >> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ > > > > We've seen the results of this tool in the recent past. They weren't > > convincing. > > > > Are you aware that your message was formatted with long/short lines? > > Looks ok to me. Sorry but no; Greg is right. Your post *did* exhibit the long/short line bug of Outlook. That's the problem with most of the email that Outlook sends, isn't it? It looks ok to the poster but not to the reader. Long/short lines that Greg referred to is a common symptom of Outlook-formatted (or, to be more precise, `unformatted', if I am excused for the pun) messages. You, as the poster write a paragraph that seems perfectly fine when wrapper in your preview window in Outlook, but eventually the reader of your post has to make sense out of something like this: ----- Original message ----- Sender: Firstname Lastname Sent: Oct 15, 2004 Subject: Useless repetition of the subject, which is only a waste of bandwidth for people with a good, threading mail user-agent To: Person1; Person2; Person3 Cc: Person4; Person5 > Some of the original text is included here, most of the time everything the original > poster has said is included verbatim, without any sort of trimming > and a funny wrapping style like this mess you are reading now. I can't even begin to describe how many things are stupid about this format of replying. The stripping of *real* email addresses, the redundant and excessive inclusion of header information in the attribution paragraph, the fact that the attribution *is* a paragraph, the silly wrapping style, etc. are only a few of the evil things this mailer does. Unfortunately, despite having discussed this with Windows users many times and tested various tools, hacks and add-ons with many of them, I still haven't found one that fixes all the bugs in Outlook's formatting of mail messages; ``outlook-quotefix'' is not an exception to this. What is very wrong about the wrapping style of Outlook (or the lack of one) is that Outlook users might never become aware of it. Just like you didn't know about it until Greg pointed it out ;-) Giorgos