From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 15 14:53:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C82A2B93A4 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:53:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-ot1-x32e.google.com (mail-ot1-x32e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 492QMf33J6z3xPZ for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:53:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-ot1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id j26so190037ots.0 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:53:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=VX3Yx+JInIE6J4OeVqx/Qp5NPSCpj0Uxi/X7ro5aWGc=; b=Uu3flvsX0kdVQAZ1lWlE/UYRR1ITBOQHDvXjaLKLwvvvf6Yg8e/cTJHZTrB/FAx1L0 HRLnTLKFbY68d/3jdAkA4vIUOBXLot5gQVnspbWVDjAAIPS64CZtVFOjzxBFeDKkj3AU lQtUR0DWOO9EdWOBVnoTGM71CIz5AUrnZDX5ejcMi8u+QBzmfb5d43R5Tv27ljdGq3SR VT/l8fVRKbya3Gubu7toLtgckGh3DpGfIEC48w4MQhZsPRWc6kpSV3OVrsc/fCaP2vre DRUaDN4BGiXBgSOuZsueHYRp3fIKuJi+dzM5v3e+CdzVV43wF0MG3yOP6uzRsgmYrwcZ w+jg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VX3Yx+JInIE6J4OeVqx/Qp5NPSCpj0Uxi/X7ro5aWGc=; b=QN0WIaetY9jcnPG87n1KZ30BiZXKz+7bhF0z7IVFeW+dgYTHcRwdutZMVJfjEhOVld 6hOFyV/KvcfgTCBtjmRFVJpt+sbNRUgn74ugwWUlIhFXz9SlsxIpQCFZJZYJnl5qJfPn isFMB0ObhDhyPFudSAeBzZ31HZ3GjPaSxli70HkOVDyNL7eKw/1uXJimvpq18olwA6Dc hZ8uBYbQ9Q9K3TLN6NhVqKcrFYYx774yFzK4ZdeKav+9IDM9lg1CrrVXO5IpboX4we+C 5OZXnlfW55E3LZDMZ6zBchFLoCeeyKEhjEpTRNxs5VbT/DTykpY+ghfh3MBGag2oIV0k i1Ew== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuacmnRw1KEdl7cKPCU6ErE424OSt+L7rx6M62p8DukpRaWHg/dz 8+x3buREyNbI0fj5Y3Owz6uwj/3vZyk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJRxeUTIvaPTxX8r30WAGK3brdAylWuPk8CXzf1sG7+lsDrrOOcM3II/NFxNB7NzmElsudgdw== X-Received: by 2002:a9d:68cc:: with SMTP id i12mr16688343oto.265.1586962396221; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi1-f175.google.com (mail-oi1-f175.google.com. [209.85.167.175]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s144sm6093559oos.8.2020.04.15.07.53.14 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f175.google.com with SMTP id o25so13644021oic.11 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:53:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:6184:: with SMTP id v126mr18386014oib.168.1586962394569; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:53:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19d0dbdc-f1ac-22f1-6934-076bb5733ab7@daemonic.se> In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:52:49 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: FreeBSD vs Linux man pages, was: drm-i915kms + x11-intel eats out all of the ram and swap but not with x11-scfb To: Ottavio Caruso Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 492QMf33J6z3xPZ X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=Uu3flvsX; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32e) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[e.2.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[googlemail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-1.74)[ip: (-7.89), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:53:19 -0000 On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 3:22 PM Ottavio Caruso wrote: > Can you please give us a couple of examples of man pages that are > outdated on Linux? Is it possible that the version of the software is > behind FreeBSD, hence the man pages are also behind? (Debian stable > springs to mind) > > Also note that FreeBSD runs different software in the base system from > the Linux counterparts, even if the name is the same. > > All software installed from ports are third party, hence the man pages > should be consistent between the *BSD's and the Linuxes. Hello Ottavio :-) I have stopped using Linux on my desk around 2008 (time around 2.4.10 when kernel API started to change between minor releases) then I have moved definitely to FreeBSD (when stable USB stack showed up). Maybe things have changed since then. But I remember different Linux distributions had different configuration schemes, even different init and system services startup methods, not to mention libc/glibs issues, even between updates/releases of the same distribution. Constant complication of things. Back then things like StackOverflow were not popular or did not exist yet. Ubuntu seems to centralize the community a bit. The only good thing that comes from Linux is promoting Open-Source, GIT, and free of charge low power OS for embedded systems. I don't really care anymore about Linux as I am happy FreeBSD user, there is one distribution, one kernel, one base, one Handbook, and really amazing community where you can ask questions and you will most likely get a response or a patch from person who wrote the code.. things are just coherent simple and amazingly effective.. and I love that! :-) When Linux started changing kernel API from release to release it looked like a maintenance nightmare. You had to constantly update your code to follow the kernel changes (lets say you are kernel driver developer). Not to mention OS changes multiplied by the distributions amount. Ten years after we do already live in a world where this became a standard and you even need a dedicated team for that. Is this really necessary? Is this really the core work to follow updates and maintain something already done in a constantly changing and challenging environment? I don't think so. I would prefer to focus on something that is really new. Look at Windows or Android. They became monsters. They are the same. Windows use PC, Android use Mobile. Android was supposed to become an open platform for open people.. it pushed Linux development hard.. but look what Google makes out of it :-( Some people like red cars, some people like black cars, others like yellow. Free means freedom of choice :-) Long story short: yes I still think FreeBSD base is better documented than Linux base :-) :-) Best regards :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info