From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 14:38:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90B1AEC7; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 14:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x236.google.com (mail-la0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 041EEFC3; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 14:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by labhs14 with SMTP id hs14so51854365lab.4; Thu, 05 Mar 2015 06:38:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Mz2Sp8Nyp84GcVQTj+YkfvQzJtzJO3Is2Ulp0YaKP8E=; b=ORStiI8RNzJ/vgKkbdPHNmXtzRjwL+RHh/W2HiduPSEPIooOEISZJK7qy1spSv3YzR sznDR0fMW6vwkIukUveKaFB9bMSK1yryR/0p/dP0STKmaajuQO5DTF/w8F3zlQYD5KTv K610P65OPglM7AC5JeEnmw+Evl98xvLXcXLDog0xlfOSVpkxu73Hix9U/7enIcIsLnqh +0iagL//O74M8QPe/VI5egOlWOcFwD17MUbzNgCs1lqNQnaBu77/RfcOh6SiQGtqQcjM e3SPaOavpdMQ0i21xMdDybGzNwtnYd2MJsreeb5qHEUTjqQ05kGhg/h8Y2QrSLTem2Ol ZeuQ== X-Received: by 10.112.170.132 with SMTP id am4mr8097699lbc.89.1425566331148; Thu, 05 Mar 2015 06:38:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.7] (broadband-5-228-253-252.nationalcablenetworks.ru. [5.228.253.252]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id zr10sm1304840lbb.38.2015.03.05.06.38.49 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 05 Mar 2015 06:38:49 -0800 (PST) Sender: Dmitry Sivachenko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) Subject: Re: svn commit: r279603 - in head: bin/rcp usr.bin/rlogin usr.bin/rsh From: Dmitry Sivachenko In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 17:38:48 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <201503042201.t24M1jDG009278@svn.freebsd.org> <20150305114828.GK17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305122103.GA90978@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305122359.GM17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305123016.GO48476@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305123053.GN17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305123349.GP48476@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305123548.GO17947@FreeBSD.org> <48981079-C9B7-411D-87A3-5A8F04924314@FreeBSD.org> To: David Chisnall X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Cc: Baptiste Daroussin , src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Gleb Smirnoff , Slawa Olhovchenkov , svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 14:38:53 -0000 > On 5 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=82=D0=B0 2015 =D0=B3., at 17:09, David = Chisnall wrote: >=20 > On 5 Mar 2015, at 14:04, Dmitry Sivachenko wrote: >=20 >> It is so nice to have most useful stuff out of the box. >=20 > The question is whether a tool for logging into remote machines = without encryption is 'the most useful stuff'. The tool is also = [ab]used for network testing, but we already provide a better tool for = that in the form of nc(1). >=20 Well. Speaking of telnet, it does provide encryption AFAIK. Speaking of what is "better" and what is not, there is such a thing like = "habit". If it does not require much effort to maintain it, better = leave it as is. I personally often use telnet to connect to TCP-based services to test = things, I need no encryption at all and I see no reason to switch to = another tool (even if it is "better" in some sense).