From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Wed May 23 20:23:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99E6EB099D; Wed, 23 May 2018 20:23:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8ABA7D068; Wed, 23 May 2018 20:23:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id LaHmfE1a7vB5RLaHnfwUfm; Wed, 23 May 2018 14:23:05 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=PvS9kTE3 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=VUJBJC2UJ8kA:10 a=H0GPC0OhAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=RnU9IzQPQthLdAGSiHQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KczGKrPSgCPlefTG41c3:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14FEF4AC; Wed, 23 May 2018 13:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w4NKN1pU050506; Wed, 23 May 2018 13:23:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id w4NKN1jb050503; Wed, 23 May 2018 13:23:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201805232023.w4NKN1jb050503@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.7.1 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Eugene Grosbein cc: Cy Schubert , Stefan Esser , "rgrimes@freebsd.org" , Mark Linimon , Gleb Smirnoff , Sean Bruno , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "src-committers@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: svn commit: r333388 - in head: . share/man/man4 sys/confsys/dev/nxge sys/modules sys/modules/nxge tools/kerneldoc/subsys tools/toolstools/tools/nxge usr.sbin/bsdconfig/share In-Reply-To: Message from Eugene Grosbein of "Thu, 24 May 2018 02:53:16 +0700." <5B05C6AC.6010202@grosbein.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 13:23:01 -0700 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfBQE6AFrMfnLqwpF2Y34EdHazvdM2fzAs7/AVcMUG7uV1ZuPJZcpEAjKWgnTsX15ynPsNah+3MFU+LlE0Y6HoQKZB56SZw4+nrOBYxBE8mwk7LWOg4t5 pl4ORW5XWY1Dcvjhk6mu7CtnM3zxTDHxRfMHiF3V7b0j+fzwNH2XU1YQNcl6T/14mnQxyk4bP1+jWOQX6P5VBRlS/5LWlbrDeUhPOm638mSnEFF7ELOmWHs8 6erxpvSXuUwlm8umVwzzpJIOs9RNsu7lPEnt1h8aSNXrppL9zagXWfRl5yv693KNe7UfU97TZVhoOBRtjEMajri50igZLGPXo4PTg13wWlJubFy00aMJmhIa CC5bas4Dw164JRjF5iXIiuTH53wF+ay+tkRgqA3Kr+MCrJl+5VoWdGfUqdODaPZUg3fQjLeYg+Nt2Ue28t3BIODoeZa/aQ== X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 23 May 2018 20:38:01 +0000 X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 20:23:14 -0000 In message <5B05C6AC.6010202@grosbein.net>, Eugene Grosbein writes: > 24.05.2018 2:30, Cy Schubert wrote: > > > Except for old computers and old software that segfaults on 64-bit, how man > y people still use i386? > > > > Full disclosure: I'd like to see i386 deorbited before I retire. > > Plese don't. I routinely use FreeBSD11/i386 for cheap VPS hosts having less t > han 2G memory > because amd64 has noticeable overhead. I even have ZFS-only i386 VPS, here is > live example with 1G only: > > Mem: 10M Active, 69M Inact, 230M Wired, 685M Free > ARC: 75M Total, 1953K MFU, 31M MRU, 172K Anon, 592K Header, 42M Other > 3500K Compressed, 29M Uncompressed, 8.61:1 Ratio > Swap: 1024M Total, 1024M Free I did say before I retire and I have no immediate plans. However dealing with 32-bit issues are a PITA and considering the causes of, IMO, most of the -CURRENT build failures over the past year, I suspect others may also feel the same way. Also, when there are i386 buildworld failures, people hardly complain. I do because my build scripts here build both (which I also do for ports). It is a fair bit of overhead. > > The VPS has only 20G of disk space and ZFS compression gives > compressratio 2.22x for ports, 2.51x for src, 2.29x for obj > and 1.95x for installed i386 system plus other software and data. I used a 768 MB Pentium M with compressed ZFS on a 40 GB disk, I think that was about 10 or 12 years ago. Documented on our wiki. That same machine is now my i386 testbed, used a few times a year. It now has 2 GB RAM and 150 GB disk. Same configuration, just a little bigger. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.