From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 11 09:07:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE6FF4B59 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 09:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46SwyS5722z4fCM for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 09:07:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.27.241]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M4ahC-1i9dHf12vu-001ljw; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:07:09 +0200 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:07:08 +0200 From: Polytropon To: MJ Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where is the info viewer? 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However, if a > > documentation file is still part of the OS, and installed along with > > the tools comprising the OS, the corresponding reader (!) should also > > be part of the OS. Or at least a placeholder, which could be a script > > that simply echo "This tool is no longer part of FreeBSD, please install > > this or that.", exit 0. :-) > > > Yes, it's rather like omitting man and still providing man pages. Exactly that was my impression. Strange thing, don't know if related: On a fresh install of FreeBSD 12.0 amd64, I installed something via pkg, and then used "man ", which complained that I need to install groff. I did that - and the manpage could be read. I'm just mentioning this because I've never seen this before... Additionally, vt shows another defect (next to the most prominent one, the inability to provide a readable console or the inability to display colors correctly): When browsing a manpage, "hickups" happen in the rendering, like this: DESCRIPTION For each operand that names a file of a type other than directory, ls displays its name as well as any requested, associated information. For ]]3; each operand that names a file of type directory, ls displays the names of files contained within that directory, as well as any requested, asso- ciated information. Note: This example is a made-up one (constructed from "man ls"), but I've seen something like this. Maybe vt cannot properly implement attribues like invers or bold? It looked like a line where linebreak went wrong, but page / line scrolling up and down made the error go away and re-appear... I have no idea what I've seen... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...