From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 08:10:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9882AA12A5 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 08:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yaneurabeya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-x231.google.com (mail-pa0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89BEE1EF9 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 08:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yaneurabeya@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pa0-x231.google.com with SMTP id yy13so69996947pab.3 for ; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 00:10:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=zwmtXyGWJKcfNVn4XJhLRazUtRrkTeCRgtTLD4yd2Ik=; b=zeX9iwL7FVwC9DGnJR7R343ehLgQTXTejtDXQTyEjSbzrw7KSTRWClG5yGQze9TUpn ZtWzZvBjQMhB2qcHbEVVaJP0lSiZIxYvN2+uXwD5fnpJIgSrjfqa4vBpAO9cJbij7Bi4 qHl2w3iCkCdZ5Ps8ew8J3JBJkRAP/c3RjC11a8kTGECvYABv/4N+ReN9tEI9dnRLqnwu PE2Tgq40CvO+cJKxgDb0boWe95p0oOqVi/jO0lFl1nqW4j0c5JdBCMGGuUIAM3399oX2 ZhsA819x6JqkmvIRBOC4A5gJx16UBCHwb1AktT+A9vZfjjv6ZKAOYW4cEGzfHkTTQNV9 Z9UQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=zwmtXyGWJKcfNVn4XJhLRazUtRrkTeCRgtTLD4yd2Ik=; b=LbeNQTDTGvcX3VGkh1uI7UHbCWHaE6/I06yYcVw93GalNVZxTSmov5FMxZWfeawW4Y +e9uw3yy+oX+hsU7WCUrb+Q+iMgLWDgUlGdjQennb8LprF5C2FuylCPkCMIYJECdq+VL DvEaVB/icLY+pOX1+XAPS9Vaa8zr/nHxbEfp6j2nIgKBqo0DXXY8uJCMacJJXTzpphC3 V1hB0Q5DoVF4t/mZSxDzidxArWgXgkzD5CPg9o58ZORvmyXSK2VQZiw5IPOCiIBy5PTj c/e9cobDgcM0nYnLO06LonVSXfgoG1dJxqEcoDPDZgIBvDbD5PylAgvXH8ANldWqIeCm Nm4Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YORNnHt5f2jGi7M9LMQSrAVfwkewQJT/5v5CxXqtyM3LEy3O65e60TeosfDGzlKDpQ== X-Received: by 10.66.129.232 with SMTP id nz8mr40518619pab.102.1454919014107; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 00:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:601:800:126d:6994:c0e:f554:c8ae? ([2601:601:800:126d:6994:c0e:f554:c8ae]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v29sm41236318pfa.31.2016.02.08.00.10.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 08 Feb 2016 00:10:12 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Subject: Re: Macbook donation (wireless needs fixing) From: NGie Cooper In-Reply-To: <56B84B22.1030707@mu.org> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 00:10:11 -0800 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <996060A3-0460-4E06-ACDD-D9034CA505D2@gmail.com> References: <56B64086.4090806@freebsd.org> <56B7BA1E.2020407@freebsd.org> <56B82A2F.7050009@freebsd.org> <56B84B22.1030707@mu.org> To: Alfred Perlstein X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 08:10:14 -0000 > On Feb 8, 2016, at 00:00, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 2/7/16 11:14 PM, NGie Cooper wrote: >>> On Feb 7, 2016, at 21:39, Alfred Perlstein = wrote: >>>=20 >>> On 2/7/16 4:24 PM, Brandon Vincent wrote: >>>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Alfred Perlstein = wrote: >>>>> Oh, strange, let me see why my macbook4,1 doesn't work with = this... maybe >>>>> it's just not loaded by default? >>>> You'll need the firmware contained in ports/net/bwi-firmware-kmod. >>> This can't be part of the base distribution? >> Not sure of the details, but it looks like no: >>=20 >> NO_PACKAGE=3D this is a modified version of a restricted firmware >>=20 >> :(=E2=80=A6 > Yes, but last time it was someone being overly zealous about some = other firmware that turned out to be fine. >=20 > Why is this firmware restricted? How are others distributing it? = Seems silly. OpenWRT seems to encourage dumping of wireless firmware [1], and then = modifies before they distribute them (I=E2=80=99m guessing based on the = NO_PACKAGE message above)? I could be wrong, but this seems to open a = number of doors (legally) that would be a bad idea to open without a = huge disclaimer because of export laws, copyright laws, etc.. It would be a better idea to couple this with FreeBSD if OpenWRT reverse = engineered the firmware (legally) and released the source code for their = derivative. Based on what I=E2=80=99m reading (as always, my favorite = acronym =E2=80=94 IANAL), this seems like a really nasty legal mess for = the project to get in to. Thanks! -Ngie=