From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 13 5:13:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC10B1542C for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:13:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id VAA02040; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:08:34 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3713335B.25F7FB16@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:06:51 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: chris@calldei.com, Mattias Pantzare , Amancio Hasty , Dmitry Valdov , Brian Feldman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DoS from local users (fwd) References: <199904102051.WAA07790@zed.ludd.luth.se> <199904102057.NAA01570@apollo.backplane.com> <19990413004728.C1968@holly.dyndns.org> <37131436.644E6E48@newsguy.com> <199904131150.EAA14736@apollo.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon wrote: > > I would note that BEST.COM has been running, effectively, public shell > systems for 5 years. The last couple of years have been using FreeBSD. > It works just dandy. We put 2000 users on each box. > > Just because people aren't willing to spend thousands of hours making > the kernel handle every conceivable user abuse doesn't make the machine > a bad solution for a particular problem. With that sort of attitude, > no operating system ever made could live up to your standards. FreeBSD > does the things most easily handled in a kernel. You, the sysop, are > supposed to do the things that are most easily handled by a sysop. That > is inclusive of writing monitoring and kill scripts. Ok, disclaimer in the vain attempt to prevent further replies. I took an issue with blaming public shell accounts for perceived problems with the way FreeBSD manages them. I do think FreeBSD, and Unix, generally speaking, is one of the best deals available. It could be improved, and it does require non-clueless sysadmins. Saying "public shell accounts are a bad idea" is dismissing the real issues, and blaming the messenger for the bad news. What you, Dillon, were saying in the message quoted in the message I originally replied to, is to the point. FreeBSD can handle it, as long as the sysadmin knows what s/he is doing. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "nothing better than the ability to perform cunning linguistics" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message