From owner-freebsd-current Sun Jul 13 06:16:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA17725 for current-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 06:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.tlk.com (root@pegasus.tlk.com [194.97.84.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA17718 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 06:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ramsey.tb.9715.org(really [194.97.84.65]) by pegasus.tlk.com via sendmail with esmtp (ident root using rfc1413) id for ; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 15:16:14 +0200 (CEST)) Received: by ramsey.tb.9715.org via sendmail with stdio id for jkh@time.cdrom.com; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 15:16:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: From: torstenb@ramsey.tb.9715.org (Torsten Blum) Subject: Re: Heads up and and a call for a show of hands. In-Reply-To: <199707122342.QAA10120@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> from Satoshi Asami at "Jul 12, 97 04:42:27 pm" To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 15:16:11 +0200 (CEST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, hans@brandinnovators.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Satoshi Asami wrote: > * I've had > * users ask me why, for example, that "modula3 needed a daemon." It > * doesn't, of course, but their confusion stems from the fact that > * during boot, the user sees something like: > * Local package initialization: apache m3 sshd > * > * And jumps to the obvious conclusion. > > Maybe the user needs to be educated? ;) or change the message... But I think the current "message" is ok. "Local package initialization" does not mean that a daemon is started... Adding shared library paths falls in the "initialization" category, IMHO. > Am I the only one that is disturbed by the recent trend of > behind-the-door negotiations with vendors followed by a commit > followed by a big controversy? It seems like the vendors were not > even properly reminded of our standard way of doing things. I'd hate > to see unnecessary knobs and bells and whistles added to our system > because some vendor can't be bothered to do even the minimal > OS-specific customization. > > If someone else feels the same way, please speak up. Otherwise, I'll > just slink back to my corner and close the rock behind me. ;) No, you're not alone. -tb -- Torsten Blum, Friedensstraße 13a, 82110 Gemering, Munich, Germany "Wow, die Leute hier von DEC schreiben Ihre Dokumentation mit LaTeX... Ich bin im gelobten Land... Es gibt also die kommerzielle - PC und M$ freie Welt" -- Arne Steinkamm