From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 17 19:29:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D1737B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:29:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [64.49.215.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B75543EA9 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:29:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [64.49.215.141]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756758A2D33; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:29:05 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:29:05 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Mike Hoskins Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD: Server or Desktop OS? In-Reply-To: <20021117185144.T30747-100000@fubar.adept.org> Message-ID: <20021117232748.I23359-100000@hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Mike Hoskins wrote: > On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > As for 'similar periods' ... you know, I've been running -STABLE on > > desktops and low end servers over the past 5 years at the Univesrity, > > slowly replacing Solaris as the applications they run permit ... so far, > > in 5 years, I've *yet* to be burnt, but none of these are running near as > > heavy load ... so no, other then on venus/jupiter, I haven' tnot seen > > similar periods of instability ... > > Now you officially know what "development branch" means. :) If you have > SLAs to maintain, I suggest implementing a proper staging process. > > Blaming the software without fully understanding the implications of the > -STABLE branch and/or implementing a reasonable amount of safeguards to > ensure stablity within your specific environment is asking for trouble. You have missed everything I've written, haven't you? The server(s) crashing does not bother me ... IMHO, if I can cause it to crash, and someone can fix it, someone else won't be affected ... What I *want* is some useful mechanism for getting such bugs addressed so that they don't repeat ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message