Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 09:27:07 +1000 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org> To: Stefan Esser <se@freebsd.org> Cc: Niclas Zeising <zeising@freebsd.org>, Michael Gmelin <grembo@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Developers <developers@freebsd.org>, tcberner@FreeBSD.org, ports@freebsd.org, portmgr@freebsd.org Subject: Aggressive ports removal (was: svn commit: r546907 - head/x11-clocks/wmtime) Message-ID: <20200829232707.GC46173@eureka.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <9a4583d9-097e-d0ba-4959-5c4d7b96b611@freebsd.org> References: <202008291154.07TBsr7L086597@repo.freebsd.org> <FC66C7DA-2A0D-43E7-B29C-E4C94C1973BA@freebsd.org> <f56625f8-1d63-515c-93af-909a4e47e65d@freebsd.org> <9a4583d9-097e-d0ba-4959-5c4d7b96b611@freebsd.org>
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Sorry for the length of the quotes, but I've added people who might
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On Saturday, 29 August 2020 at 16:09:12 +0200, Stefan Esser wrote:
> Am 29.08.20 um 15:32 schrieb Niclas Zeising:
>> On 2020-08-29 14:48, Michael Gmelin wrote:
>>> As I???ve seen quite a lot of similar commits:
>>>
>>> Is our policy now to deprecate ports (with one month notice) that
>>> aren???t maintained/have a dead upstream, even though the ports still
>>> work okay and aren???t the type that requires much maintenance anyway?
>>>
>>
>> Hi!
>> As far as I know, there is no official policy, this was something that
>> Tobias (tcberner@) and I (mostly I) agreed on, since we're doing a lot
>> of the lifting when it comes to -fno-common.
>>
>> However, there is a lot of stale, old, unmaintained and possibly broken
>> software in the Ports tree, and I viewed this as a chance to clean out
>> some of the cruft.=A0 All these ports take resources from people needing
>> to fix them, from the build cluster which is building them, and so on.
>> Since there is no upstream fix for -fno-common, and there is no
>> maintainer, I thought it would be a good idea to deprecate such ports,
>> since there is no apparent interest in them.=A0 -fno-common is the new
>> standard way of building C code (both llvm 11 and gcc 10 defaults to
>> it).=A0 If someone is interested in the port, they can easily submit a PR
>> to maintain the port and remove the deprecation (or commit the fix, if
>> they are a FreeBSD committer).
>> If they are removed, and someone in the future decides to take care of
>> one (or more) of them, they can easily be resurrected, since they will
>> live on in SVN (and git) history.
>
> No maintainer and no changes for a long time does not imply that there
> is no interest in a port!
>
> If it just works, serves its purpose for those using a minimal X11
> environment (there are still twm users) and there is no indication
> of a lingering security problem, then why depreciate and later delete
> such a working port?
Exactly. Another case in point: x11/xtset. Maintenance stopped in
1993, 11 days after the FreeBSD project came into existence. It works
fine, and I find it very useful. If at some time in the future it
should no longer work with the latest and greatest iteration of the C
programming language or ports structure, that shouldn't be a reason to
discard it.
My suggestion:
1. Decisions to deprecate remove ports should be made only by
portmgr@.
2. Ports are not broken because they don't easily adapt to some new
ports framework.
3. Ports should not be removed without community consultation, which
should last for at least n months, with m reminders being sent.
Greg
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