From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Wed May 23 20:26:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9805EB0AAE; Wed, 23 May 2018 20:26:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1C967D1EA; Wed, 23 May 2018 20:26:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id LaKbfE2YGvB5RLaKdfwVNk; Wed, 23 May 2018 14:25:59 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=PvS9kTE3 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=VUJBJC2UJ8kA:10 a=y3olD_i8AAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=r063oOu-cMAH_u38Wi8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=2GdgqtpztZvaxdPX1XqS:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 812054D7; Wed, 23 May 2018 13:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w4NKPvDg050851; Wed, 23 May 2018 13:25:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id w4NKPvmo050848; Wed, 23 May 2018 13:25:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201805232025.w4NKPvmo050848@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.7.1 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Brooks Davis cc: Eugene Grosbein , Cy Schubert , Stefan Esser , "rgrimes@freebsd.org" , Mark Linimon , Gleb Smirnoff , Sean Bruno , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "src-committers@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: svn commit: r333388 - in head: . share/man/man4 sys/confsys/dev/nxge sys/modules sys/modules/nxge tools/kerneldoc/subsys tools/toolstools/tools/nxge usr.sbin/bsdconfig/share In-Reply-To: Message from Brooks Davis of "Wed, 23 May 2018 20:22:28 -0000." <20180523202228.GC58848@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 13:25:57 -0700 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfGaomeU5/L2BLkdQ3iXeh+C8jgbBDX9nJ/7xU3XcSIEtRzb48R0yYpy1aKVLcHlqHp5ANkHeGEHgehoOjKkeP9hDNJAeHd07RUbiqkAEhL2TH5i5kJpr qMWxwsOuwvjCVUAkU6i6ZfdRHXhvtkNk0r+9J3BBZZXr2U5miHQI4Ds1lFUcPJ0c0jF0Uy2EV26oA1TX8IF5aLmN37q4nbymxrmkdyLLWPU9OAWLL099XXcr /r4vjHOuGSN35OMSbFZS1Oqlm/28d0c+tzf1IRzoA95cguwOYnnLEFLnbm3ZF4KR/5TMRnBPXjrG+gIaBdWGCn9BSTf9G2j8WIjlYU1eiU90WToW8Oa9QEmd krZcX2wOV3BlaNd18/sAz+Du8LgJsrDnUqCYntC7EX0KcVEGpxqLsij67LCm+aMZKcKgJCOcwdgIjAKsznZyxudmvGPL3SxNlzFWk9F/2eY+qqtrZX0= X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 23 May 2018 20:38:20 +0000 X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 20:26:02 -0000 In message <20180523202228.GC58848@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net>, Brooks Davis wr ites: > > > --QRj9sO5tAVLaXnSD > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 02:53:16AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > 24.05.2018 2:30, Cy Schubert wrote: > >=20 > > > Except for old computers and old software that segfaults on 64-bit, how= > many people still use i386? > > >=20 > > > Full disclosure: I'd like to see i386 deorbited before I retire. > >=20 > > Plese don't. I routinely use FreeBSD11/i386 for cheap VPS hosts having le= > ss than 2G memory > > because amd64 has noticeable overhead. I even have ZFS-only i386 VPS, her= > e is live example with 1G only: > >=20 > > Mem: 10M Active, 69M Inact, 230M Wired, 685M Free > > ARC: 75M Total, 1953K MFU, 31M MRU, 172K Anon, 592K Header, 42M Other > > 3500K Compressed, 29M Uncompressed, 8.61:1 Ratio > > Swap: 1024M Total, 1024M Free > >=20 > > The VPS has only 20G of disk space and ZFS compression gives > > compressratio 2.22x for ports, 2.51x for src, 2.29x for obj > > and 1.95x for installed i386 system plus other software and data. > > I think we're quite a ways from being ready to axe i386. > > For VPS applications, we should probably get x32 support in place which > should give us the best of both worlds. > > That said, we either need to rev the i386 ABI to use a 64-bit time_t or > kill it in the not to distant future or we risk embedded systems failing > in place in 2038. If we assume a 15 year life for most equipment to > fail electrically or mechanically that says FreeBSD 13 shouldn't support > the current i386 ABI. I think many of the Linux distros have already done this or are seriously discussing it. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.