From owner-cvs-etc Sat Jun 22 10:55:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-cvs-etc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23400 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 10:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from precipice.shockwave.com (ppp-5-75.rdcy01.pacbell.net [206.170.5.75]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23394; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 10:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shockwave.com (localhost.shockwave.com [127.0.0.1]) by precipice.shockwave.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22908; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 10:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606221753.KAA22908@precipice.shockwave.com> To: Mark Murray cc: Michael Smith , nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams), phk@freefall.freebsd.org, CVS-committers@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-all@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-etc@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/mtree BSD.usr.dist In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 22 Jun 1996 09:27:15 +0200." <199606220727.JAA13561@grumble.grondar.za> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 10:53:38 -0700 From: Paul Traina Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Let me try an alternate idea... How about we go through and find all the src perl scripts, figure out how central to using the system they are, and move them into ports on an as needed basis? If there's nothing depending upon perl, then we can just keep the perl5 port. Likewise, let's do the same with tcl before it becomes a problem. We need to be thinking about UNBUNDLING, not bundling further. The ports mechanism is so wonderful, it seems like a damn shame to ignore it in this circumstance. Paul From: Mark Murray Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/mtree BSD.usr.dist Michael Smith wrote: > The way it was done was, IMHO, wrong. But we _do_ want Tcl and a more > current Perl in the tree. And other widely-accepted development tools, > particularly those that are components (like Tcl and Perl) rather than > whole applications (eg UPS). Hear hear! (More current Perl!) > Someone should stand up and wear the new Perl. Hmm... Last time I just _suggested_ this, the flamew^h^h^h^h^hdiscussion was a thing to behold :-). I could help lots with Perl. Things are changing, and I will have much more time to do this. > And I'd suggest the anti-bloatists stop and think a few seconds before > bitching. > > Look at what disk space (doesn't) cost. Consider the advantages of having > one _single_standard_ version. And the fact that Someone Else will > be looking after it, not you. Hear, Hear! M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key