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9:3n6/d7d89OXjDJZxvBQLm/FQ1Lj8bWYMRDSBaxaSgRF0k47UT5cYqfHe2rH2+hvVg9o4A5Dzgo83lIplaHJkZv0KFK5+wJRDO4pek5Ak3FJPt8l4VMwMqr8THKwqxjsiVqQdsc+gaoTA51KwsAIeCA== X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 18:49:24 -0000 Ian Lepore wrote: > > I agree but 8 -> 11 is a very big jump. > > Not really. We're in the midst of such a change at $work, but it will Yes we still use 7.x on most machines - these can build head just fine, but it is a reasonably controlled environment, with minimal dependence on the host env. I was speaking more in terms of the project's boundaries on what they are willing to support. > machinery. The fmake->bmake change has been fairly painful; it's only > working at all for us because I've hacked fmake on 6.x and 8.x to > support a few crucial bmake features. Yes, a common theme at most vendor summits is the ever increasing maintenance "cost" of falling behind.