From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Thu Jun 30 20:56:45 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C98B889BB for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 20:56:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3260D2C14 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 20:56:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4992D3AF00 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 13:56:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stuff I don't understand, and maybe never will. In-Reply-To: <20160630203013.1038690d@max-BSD> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 13:56:38 -0700 Message-ID: <15664.1467320198@server1.tristatelogic.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 20:56:45 -0000 In message <20160630203013.1038690d@max-BSD>, maxnix wrote: >And, talking about Windows, this document came in mind: >https://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/winstupid/1 This is excellent! Thanks for sharing! >I hope that, in a world where telecommunication devices are more and >more pervasive, in schools will teach to kids not only how to work with >computers, but even how computers work. I think that if schools could at least just teach kids why they have good reason to be properly aware of, and concerned about the perils of their devices, *and* if they could also teach kids about the long tails they are all leaving for themselves on social media... which may perhaps never disappear in their lifetimes... then that alone would be progress. Regards, rfg P.S. I've been firmly convinced for at least a couple of decades now that crap software (and crap firmware) was all fostered, encouraged, and made possible by U.S. legislation and/or court interpretations thereof which have made it virtually impossible to even get past first base if one attempts to file a product liability claim based on a software (or firmware) defect. In essentially every other industry, crappy dangerous products, sold to the public en mass (and generally with no warnings) can be taken to task in a U.S. court of law. But not software. In this way, software is in rare and elite good company with other marvelous products which are also and likewise immune from product liability actions, in particular tobacco and firearms. And to anybody who wishes to retort "Yea, but software doesn't kill people!" I respectfully suggest that you first google for "Therac-25".