From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Jul 10 18:18:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from abyssinian.sleepycat.com (abyssinian.sleepycat.com [199.103.241.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F55D37B403 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:18:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bostic@abyssinian.sleepycat.com) Received: (from bostic@localhost) by abyssinian.sleepycat.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f6B1IQE24540; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:18:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Keith Bostic Message-Id: <200107110118.f6B1IQE24540@abyssinian.sleepycat.com> To: karels@bsdi.com Subject: Re: nvi maintainer? Cc: arch@hub.freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I just re-subscribed to freebsd-arch, and to my surprise there is a current > discussion on nvi (the first message saying "no, people would object if we > switched to vim"). Are you on this list? Peripherally -- I'm not on the list, but I've been participating in the discussion via email. This happens every 4-6 months and it's become pretty predictable: Step 1: A FreeBSD person says "We should put DB 3.X into the system, DB 1.85 has known bugs and isn't maintained by Sleepycat." Step 2: I say, "I'd love it, I think it's a great idea, here are the issues." Step 3: Someone else says "That's bad, we can't do that, it would be a problem for our embedded users." Step 4: Someone else says "Nvi will require DB 3 in the next release, so we'll have to switch to DB 3 in the C library." Step 5: Someone asks "Could we switch to gdbm or vim/elvis/whatever?" Step 6: Editor religious wars begin. [Everyone: shock, horror, dismay, flaming.] I think that FreeBSD should leave DB 1.85 in the C library, and when (if?) nvi finally upgrades to DB 3, simply load nvi & DB 3 as a single executable and ship it that way. Problem solved. :-) I'm copying arch, but I doubt I'll be able to post -- feel free to forward. --keith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Keith Bostic Sleepycat Software Inc. bostic@sleepycat.com 118 Tower Rd. +1-781-259-3139 Lincoln, MA 01773 http://www.sleepycat.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message