From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 21 08:51:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0F74F50 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 08:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x22c.google.com (mail-yk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACEB12986 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 08:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 10so3717303ykt.31 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 01:51:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=t8FZVJuMLr4gUG+49iwtwBigK+niK/tv6r7tuz/O/g8=; b=FTHRES/acuMWNcpbTZyg1wWgRz9xGpwC71CX1O+P1uZOTJz7VWh7CSkAiOtLSe7fOa I9hi1lSB8Q9MAd9NPrlWXW3NtqWZvWd60zVri/SmaNuR/1lJGPC6uRJOoHStPyInB3A3 yqKCQjXu65JNmCW8axFvaKUkYCb1LUgxVDfMeWBX/lNLQjffiXHg467mB/R1xZJr+c1q 6mN2OZ2Yd6tkh8CPmDbBg4/7dPancP1AWZZnAf31KR80aiGfOflkyVx8dMa8yrlaoc5P e7Pjn0Yaf+dA0qcSHKYjZ+Acl/icDaY0/KnXE/BQTvOE8tbm5qo/OzsIX9rlQPifV22z iHRQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.82.5 with SMTP id n5mr14106075yhe.35.1405932688797; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 01:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.132.80 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 01:51:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> <20140718151255.b3e677d9.gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de> <53CA2D39.6000204@sasktel.net> <20140720123916.GV96250@e-new.0x20.net> <20140720134133.1d30f725@kan> <20140720201251.3bdd2226.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 09:51:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? From: krad To: Odhiambo Washington Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: User Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 08:51:30 -0000 Thats a terrible argument. What you are suggesting is there should never be any kind of open discussion of ideas which is fundamental to opensource software On 20 July 2014 19:35, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On 20 July 2014 21:12, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:41:33 -0400, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > > > It was stated repeatedly by multiple people that FreeBSD's network > > > stack is way too different from OpenBSD, we support features > > > OpenBSD doesn't and vice versa, vimage is a good example, which throws > a > > > giant wrench into the plan of following OpenBSD 'as closely as > > > possible', even as the expense of throwing away all of the SMP work > > > done in pf to date. > > > > The difference between FreeBSD's and OpenBSD's network stack > > is also a problem that you can hardly compensate by maintaining > > two versions of pf, one provided with the system, one available > > via ports (as FreeBSD 10 did with unbound / bind), and you also > > would have to decide which version ("old" or "new") goes with > > the OS and which comes from ports. Of course following a "moving > > target" is much easier to do with ports (higher frequency of > > changes is possible) than with an OS component, and I should > > emphasize OS _core_ component, as pf is _very_ tightly integrated > > with kernel and OS mechanisms. > > > > Learning a new syntax is the smallest problem here, and BSD folks > > (as UNIX people in general) have a great reputation of being able > > to learn new things, evaluate them, and use them as needed, in > > comparison to those poor guys over in MICROS~1 land... ;-) > > > > > So to summarize (probably): > > Someone needs to decide whether or not they want FreeBSD or OpenBSD when it > comes to PF. > It's a simple decision to make:) > You draw a two-column table with FreeBSD and OpenBSD on each one, do your > analysis and decide where to pledge your allegiance. > > Debate CLOSED! > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >