From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 3 06:10:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996CF106564A for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3998FC17 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from julian-mac.elischer.org (c-67-180-24-15.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.24.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q236ANUh025810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 Mar 2012 22:10:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <4F51B5D4.4070005@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 22:10:28 -0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.2.27) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/3.1.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Julian H. Stacey" References: <201203021530.q22FUjOU040478@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201203021530.q22FUjOU040478@fire.js.berklix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] Foundation Announces NAND File System for FreeBSD Project X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 06:10:42 -0000 On 3/2/12 7:30 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi freebsd-fs@freebsd.org > cc Deb > > Deb Goodkin wrote to announce@ Thu, 01 Mar 2012 11:45:53 -0700 (19:45 CET): >> The FreeBSD Foundation is pleased to announce that Semihalf, an > ... > > I was interested to read more background, but no URLs, > so I found http://www.semihalf.com/& re. > NAND Flash File System > found: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory#NAND_flash > "Manufacturers try to maximize the amount of usable storage > by shrinking the size of the transistor below the size where > they can be made reliably, to the size where further > reductions would increase the number of faults faster than > it would increase the total storage available." > - > Really scarey if that is taken literaly, I jhs@ presume loose phraseology, > hopefully someone who knows more will rephrase that :-). working for a flash memory based company I can say that flash is getting crappier and crappier. Slower, less reliable, more damaged by overuse, more sensitive to temperature, etc. etc. we're talking about sensing the difference between 100 trapped electrons and 75 trapped electrons. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAFFS > > http://www.yaffs.net/yaffs-nand-specific-flash-file-system-introductory-article > GPL licence. Must release any linked sources. > > Cheers, > Julian