Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:30:42 -0700 From: Freddie Cash <fjwcash@gmail.com> To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> Cc: FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD? Message-ID: <CAOjFWZ5rFQLMBUSzvmWCPDLX_P245x7aDZ-yc6oqXPJej6UrFg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAOgwaMv_9c_W4fek-kGhQV3B5bKv4RnEFn_6ixn2LS7qDPma6Q@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAHMRaQf=M0ULOH=KnqzOXvczSM0Lb6apCoQkJegqyU3e8%2BgShA@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1204272025080.5846@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20120427203117.GA2055@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <CAOgwaMv_9c_W4fek-kGhQV3B5bKv4RnEFn_6ixn2LS7qDPma6Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> wrote: > My opinion is that most important obstacle in front of FreeBSD is its > installation structure : > > It is NOT possible to install and use a FreeBSD distribution directly as it > is . > > In Linux distributions , when a distribution is installed , the user , NOT > root , can use its facilities WITHOUT setting a ( large ) number of parameters > which it is approximately ZERO . > > Contrary to this , when a FreeBSD is installed , an ordinary user can NOT > use USB , CD/DVD , etc. , and even key board / mouse in X without setting > MANY parameters in MANY files ( loder.conf , rc.conf , etc. ) . > > This point is a very important difficulty for the beginners and a really > very tiring for experienced users . And that's a good thing. :) It forces people to learn. And it allows people to create the system *they* need, instead of being forced to use the system "the project" thinks everyone needs. We spend a good 2-3 hours customising Ubuntu Server and Debian Linux installs to make them work they way *we* want them to, with the software *we* want, and the configurations *we* need. Most of that time is spent undoing all the "helpful" abstractions that Ubuntu/Debian devs think make life simpler (and they do, *IF* you use a GUI to manage things, but CLI users are left in the cold). Just look at the horrible mess that is GRUB2 configuration on Ubuntu/Debina, with shell script snippets spread through 4 different directories. Great for GUI tools to parse and update, but a royal pain for CLI users. Compared to FreeBSD where you get a nice, barebones system where we spend some time *building up* the system we want, instead of tearing down/removing excess crud. The beauty of FreeBSD as well, is that there are other projects that build on FreeBSD to create super-simple-easy-to-use-ready-from-the-word-go setups, like PC-BSD. :) > With a more than FORTY years of computing experience , my idea about PC-BSD > is that it is "complete failure" and mentioning it in front of FreeBSD is > only to create another obstacle for it . Everything you rant about is covered by PC-BSD ... yet, you don't want PC-BSD. :) > Trouble for PC-BSD is that , for me , it is an untested ( as even as a > simple installation on a bare hardware ) distribution . Considering how long it's been used by various people around the world, I would hardly call PC-BSD "untested". Maybe it's time to fire up a VM and try it? You may be pleasantly surprised that everything you are complaining about is there, ready and waiting for you to click on it. > Thank you very much . > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com
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