From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 11 09:02:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60A516A406 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:02:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8585A13C455 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:02:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id A731920AD; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:02:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D0A20A8; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:02:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7A8C85330; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:02:37 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?utf-8?Q?Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=) To: Kris Kennaway References: <200705102105.27271.blackdragon@highveldmail.co.za> <17987.52037.112351.872442@bhuda.mired.org> <20070511015156.GA77895@xor.obsecurity.org> <86zm4b3h7h.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070511082657.GA24652@xor.obsecurity.org> <86sla33gkm.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070511084026.GA59508@xor.obsecurity.org> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:02:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20070511084026.GA59508@xor.obsecurity.org> (Kris Kennaway's message of "Fri\, 11 May 2007 04\:40\:27 -0400") Message-ID: <86k5vf3f82.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mike Meyer , Ivan Voras Subject: Re: New FreeBSD package system (a.k.a. Daemon Package System (dps)) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:02:41 -0000 Kris Kennaway writes: > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 10:33:29AM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav wrote: > > The existence of .la files is a bug. > > > > We already have a mechanism for recording dependencies between > > libraries; it's built into the ELF format, and does not require > > hardcoding any directories. Introducing .la files which override the > > existing mechanism and *do* hardcode directories is a regression. > > > > I don't buy the argument that "KDE won't build without them", or > > whatever it was you used to justify this. > I can't help it that you weren't paying attention. My point is that the argument is bogus. I am positively certain that the root issue was not the absence of .la files; installing them merely served as a workaround for the actual problem, which was most likely related to ldconfig and / or LD_LIBRARY_PATH. This is like the (apocryphal) story of the car that wouldn't start on the way back from the store when the owner went to buy ice cream - but only if he bought vanilla. The correct fix is not to buy a different flavor. Once you realize that the vanilla ice cream is right next to the check-out register while the others are deeper within the store and therefore take considerably longer to get, you start looking for vapor lock. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no