From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Apr 18 14:15:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01291 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:15:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01286 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:15:15 GMT (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08319; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:15:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Irving Popovetsky cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Screen Shot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I certainly don't debate the technical impressiveness of what has been achieved with the window-managers. I was particularly impressed by the cleanness of the KDE interface (although I'd swear I'd seen some of the layout somewhere before :). Did KDE ever figure out the licensing thing with QT? I saw a post somewhere recently where they indicated they were working on an arrangement to fix the problem, but I don't know what came of that. A lot of people have problems with the license, last I heard, due to its anti-commercial nature -- something that FreeBSD has rigorously advoided. I personally run olvwm -- I like the simplicity of the interface, as well as the consistency of the virtual window managing. It also runs nicely on low-scale workstations. A nice screenshot of FreeBSD might be one that demonstrated its capabilities as an easy-to-manage web server (since that's real popular just now). If we had emulation of more recent BSD/OS code, we could demonstrate the Netscape navigator with the Fasttrack web configuration interface in one portion of the screen, etc. Unfortunately, what looks nice in a screen-shot is a nice gui admin interface -- which takes us back to the other conversation of choice. :) I picture of ftp.cdrom.com would be a nice seller, however. Perhaps with a slogan like, "This machine ships out more files than 26 Windows NT ftp servers at Microsoft", where 26 is the appropriate number. On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Irving Popovetsky wrote: > Well, okay, so maybe one of the afterstep screenshots isnt a good idea to > show :) > > I must say that one of the most impressive screenshots I have seen have > been the ones on E's page that have demonstrated both form and function. > One that I remember clearly is a screenshot where the guy was running (he > fit quite a lot on his dekstop), Adobe Photoshop for macintosh, Mirc for > windows 95 (to demonstrate windows emulation), Corel WordPerfect > for UNIX, a few X apps (which I dont remember... maybe quake?), plus he > had a little window open, that in readable text explained what was running > on his desktop. no gore, no exploitation of women. > > KDE, on their page, also demonstrate a very businesslike and professional > image. > > Anyway, we should put together some of our own screenshots, to create our > own image. I run a beautiful 1280x1024 display and various WMs. I could > put together some pretty screenshots of what kind of functionality I have, > if only someone showed me how to make a screenshot (I dont know how, sorry): > > -Irving > > On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Robert Watson wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:24:27 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Robert Watson > > Reply-To: Robert Watson > > To: Irving Popovetsky > > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: Screen Shot > > > > > > So one unfortunate thing about the AfterStep and Enlightenment screen > > shots is as follows: a number of people I showed them to indicated that > > the objectified women (scantily clad) weren't so very encouraging when it > > came to selecting a desktop for use in a business. They were more > > interested in a professional-looking interface than this :). Microsoft, > > for example, does not advertise their Scantily-Clad Women Desktop Theme as > > a major feature of their windows products. While it would be unrealistic > > to expect that people do not use X-Windows for this kind of thing, > > attempting to advertise a product as a competitor with WindowsNT as a > > business server platform might benefit from a little less of this :). > > > > On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Irving Popovetsky wrote: > > > > > Some of the most impressive screenshots that I have personally seen have > > > been on the webpages of various Window Managers: > > > > > > www.enlightenment.org (enlightenment wm) > > > www.afterstep.org (afterstep) > > > www.kde.org (the K Desktop environment) > > > > > > in their screenshots gallieries. While most of these screenshots were > > > taken on Linux boxen, its still just XFree86 that they are running, and I > > > have been able to achieve similar on my FreeBSD box. > > > > > > But some of those look real pretty, and make just as great of an argument > > > for us as they do for the linux people, maybe even a better one :) > > > > > > -Irving > > > > > > On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Adrian T. Filipi-Martin wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:22:29 -0400 (EDT) > > > > From: "Adrian T. Filipi-Martin" > > > > Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin > > > > To: Malartre > > > > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > > > > Subject: Re: Screen Shot > > > > > > > > On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Malartre wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey, I have seen a lot of people who where wanting screen shot. > > > > > Why not giving them the screen shot on www.freebsd.org? > > > > > > > > > > Like a link on the first page to "what freebsd look like" > > > > > > > > > > Unix seems strange to new user... > > > > > > > > Well, I doubt a single screen shot coulw convey much of anything. > > > > There are just too many things that could be on a FreeBSD display. What > > > > would it be: X, emacs, the console, quake2, etc.? > > > > > > > > I suppose one rather impressive image involving FreeBSD is the > > > > Toshiba Libretto picture from the PAO project page. I just love that the > > > > X11 is runnig on FreeBSD o a computer that is not as deep as the SUN mouse > > > > next to it. > > > > > > > > Adrian > > > > -- > > > > adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| If I were stranded on a desert island, and > > > > System Administrator --->>>| I could only have one OS for my computer, > > > > Neurosurgical Visualization Lab ->>| it would be FreeBSD. Think about it..... > > > > http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/ ->| http://www.freebsd.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Irving Popovetsky > > > ANS Communications - BigDial Operations Assistant > > > Pioneer High School - Webmaster > > > > > > grok: /grok/, var. /grohk/ vt. [from the novel "Stranger in a Strange > > > Land", by Robert A. Heinlein, where it is a Martian word meaning literally > > > `to drink' and metaphorically `to be one with'] The emphatic form is `grok > > > in fullness'. 1. To understand, usually in a global sense. Connotes > > > intimate and exhaustive knowledge. > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > Robert N Watson > > > > > > ---- > > Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ > > Trusted Information Systems http://www.tis.com/ > > SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ > > robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ > > > > > -Irving Popovetsky > ANS Communications - BigDial Operations Assistant > Pioneer High School - Webmaster > > grok: /grok/, var. /grohk/ vt. [from the novel "Stranger in a Strange > Land", by Robert A. Heinlein, where it is a Martian word meaning literally > `to drink' and metaphorically `to be one with'] The emphatic form is `grok > in fullness'. 1. To understand, usually in a global sense. Connotes > intimate and exhaustive knowledge. > > Robert N Watson ---- Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ Trusted Information Systems http://www.tis.com/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message