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Date:      Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:00:33 -0700
From:      Nate Williams <nate@sri.MT.net>
To:        "Rodney W. Grimes" <rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>
Cc:        nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams), stable@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: -stable hangs at boot (fwd)
Message-ID:  <199602270000.RAA01738@rocky.sri.MT.net>
In-Reply-To: <199602262355.PAA15114@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>
References:  <199602262204.PAA01109@rocky.sri.MT.net> <199602262355.PAA15114@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>

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Rodney W. Grimes writes:
> > > > It's not punching any hole in the code.  *ALL* of the firewall products
> > > > I've used (not extensive by any means) are open by default and require
> > > > the user to explicitly close them.  If a user mis-configures the
> > > > firewall it's their problem in all of the other products, why is it now
> > > > FreeBSD's problem to make the users 'smarter'?
> > > 
> > > I've never seen a firewall product that is open by default.  That is an
> > > oxymoron.
> > 
> > A firewall is *always* open by default.  You determine what it is to
> > firewall against.  All of them haven't told me how to make policy, or
> > force me to 'revert' behavior.  Firewalls don't make policy, they
> > enforce policy.
> 
> It is not a firewall if it is always open, it is just a plain old router :-)

It's not a configured firewall if it's wide open. ;)

Let me re-phrase.  All of the firewall products I've used are configured
'wide-open' by default.  Now, if you leave it that way you don't have
much of a firewall, but that's a configuration problem.



Nate



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