From owner-freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Fri Nov 16 08:27:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4C7112B46A for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 08:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27130762BC for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 08:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id DEB2E112B469; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 08:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: fs@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E2F112B468 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 08:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.ysv.freebsd.org (mxrelay.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mxrelay.ysv.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D378762B8 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 08:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43BD95CC4 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 08:27:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wAG8Ra4U099543 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 08:27:36 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id wAG8Rabw099542 for fs@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 08:27:36 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: fs@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 233245] [UFS] Softupdates fails to track dependency between appended data and i_size Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 08:27:35 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: kern X-Bugzilla-Version: CURRENT X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Some People X-Bugzilla-Who: kib@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: fs@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: cc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 27130762BC X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-105.92 / 40.00]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_FORWARDING(0.00)[]; ALLOW_DOMAIN_WHITELIST(-100.00)[freebsd.org]; FORWARDED(0.00)[fs@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org]; SPF_FAIL_FORWARDING(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; XAW_SERVICE_ACCT(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[5.0.0.0.0.5.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.a.6.0.2.4.5.2.2.0.0.9.1.1.0.0.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.9.2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx66.freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-3.71)[ip: (-9.87), ipnet: 2001:1900:2254::/48(-4.82), asn: 10310(-3.76), country: US(-0.10)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:10310, ipnet:2001:1900:2254::/48, country:US]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS(0.00)[fs@FreeBSD.org,freebsd-fs@freebsd.org]; TO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 08:27:38 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D233245 Konstantin Belousov changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |kib@FreeBSD.org --- Comment #3 from Konstantin Belousov --- Of course I sympathize the idea of improving the user experience, but IMO t= he cost of the code complexity is more important there. SU, from my prospective, were never supposed to provide the user data consistency guarantees. The goal was/is only the metadata sanity, even not = the guarantee that on-disk metadata actually matches some state during the syst= em operation. We never track user data block writes ordering, so whatever sta= te user data is left after the crash, is the user issue. >From this PoV, file size increase by hole vs. increase by the actual conten= t is not under the SU scope. Again, to make my opinion clear: I would not objec= t, but SU are already insanely complex and we must not increase the complexity just because we can. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.=