From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 13:11:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951C116A4CE for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:11:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310DE43D58 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:11:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dennisolvany@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so804356wra for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 05:11:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=tivwXMPAf3BHCC34XPGSD66gHGkNq41NUrvkL+88SwMEcTU9VACDbHzvgNVbBADGTF2xwvXDKfGxcrI1zTssisq3u1oSiDN/8QUy/TFdIyjdmwtoYDEvLSDljKjoWYyKGsNGZR8Jd1HfbMZuPnk+krXK2M/1FUEGOmznQREZh0k= Received: by 10.54.51.8 with SMTP id y8mr154586wry; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 05:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from d ([67.102.60.210]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id d74sm512wra.2005.02.28.05.10.59; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 05:11:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001b01c51d96$f55f71a0$0366a8c0@d> From: "Dennis Olvany" To: Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:11:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Subject: 5.3 crippled X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:11:01 -0000 Removing the gui configuration from the installer is a major setback for people that cannot figure out how to get kde up and running. The handbook doesn't explain it well enough for newbs to get it going. It says, "simply type # xorg -configure". Well, newsflash, no file or command. Maybe I had to be in the correct directory, but I couldn't find it. Another suggestion said to use pkg_add to download and install xorg and after ten minutes of downloading I was back at square-one again. I've gotten earlier versions up and running, no-problemo, and even with the installer handling kde, it still required some technical skill. If someone couldn't install an earlier version of FreeBSD, they sure as hell can't install the latest one. I said, "hell with it", and I'm downloading yoper. I'm determined to get something up and running and that's probably why I'm about ready to punch a wall right now. I've figured out one thing so far, quality bsd/nix support is not easy to find. cc to reply as I don't think I'll be monitoring the list