From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 22 00:02:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0481537B401; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517B043F85; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:02:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6M72dxd002717; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:02:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6M72dwQ002716; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:02:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:02:39 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20030722070239.GA2687@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200307211915.h6LJFPJY054212@repoman.freebsd.org> <20030721214042.GA563@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3F1C6216.3020006@freebsd.org> <20030721220419.GA909@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3F1C6633.5070009@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3F1C6633.5070009@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org cc: cvs-src@freebsd.org cc: Bernd Walter cc: src-committers@freebsd.org cc: cvs-all@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Floppies for ALPHA [Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf files.alpha src/sys/alpha/conf GENERIC NOTES] X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 07:02:42 -0000 On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 04:16:19PM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > Wilko Bulte wrote: > >On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 03:58:46PM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > > > >>Wilko Bulte wrote: > >> > >>>On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 12:15:25PM -0700, Bernd Walter wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>ticso 2003/07/21 12:15:25 PDT > >>>> > >>>>FreeBSD src repository > >>>> > >>>>Modified files: > >>>> sys/conf files.alpha > >>>> sys/alpha/conf GENERIC NOTES > >>>>Log: > >>>>Enable eisa support on alpha. > >>>>We need eisa bridge support on some models, which now depends on having > >>>>eisa in the kernel. > >>> > >>> > >>>Without having checked: what about the bootfloppy? > >>> > >> > >>This is a loosing fight. While there is still some value in having > >>floppies for x86, is there really any value in them for Alpha? My > >>understanding is that CD-ROMs have been standard on all Alphas for > >>the past 5-10 years. Netbooting is an easy alternative for those > > > > > >Correct. On all Alpha's in fact. Even the DEC3000 etc. > > > > > >>without CDs or bandwidth. We do not do floppies for sparc64 and ia64, > >>and I would hope/expect that we don't do them for amd64. I think it's > >>time to cut them out of Alpha. > > > > > >Absolutely. But everytime we planned on doing that there was uproar. > >You obviously loose the network install with just a floppy to boot from. > >But miniinst.iso fills that gap, at least IMHO. > > > >W/ > > > > Is there an alternative for those in remote areas that can neither > download the miniiso nor buy the cd set? Every time that we talk about > downloading iso's, the issue comes up of those in eastern-bloc and > asian countries that have little bandwidth. Can Alpha do a 'boot-only' > cd image that is <5MB? Maybe. But you would need a lot of other stuff to make it useful as an installed system so why would the size of the boot'kit' be so important? I mean, you need the rest of the bits downloaded anyway to get a useful installation. Wilko -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte