From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 16:25:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FFEC5C5; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 16:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E3A5D2; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 16:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from comporellon.tachypleus.net (polaris.tachypleus.net [75.101.50.44]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t25GP0dZ013105 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 5 Mar 2015 08:25:01 -0800 Message-ID: <54F8835C.4020605@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 08:25:00 -0800 From: Nathan Whitehorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dmitry Sivachenko , Gleb Smirnoff Subject: Re: svn commit: r279603 - in head: bin/rcp usr.bin/rlogin usr.bin/rsh References: <201503042201.t24M1jDG009278@svn.freebsd.org> <20150305114828.GK17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305122103.GA90978@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305122359.GM17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305123016.GO48476@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305123053.GN17947@FreeBSD.org> <20150305123349.GP48476@zxy.spb.ru> <20150305123548.GO17947@FreeBSD.org> <48981079-C9B7-411D-87A3-5A8F04924314@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <48981079-C9B7-411D-87A3-5A8F04924314@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVYzOmSobV+HeTU/RRZL8Wws5ybFFU57Olwgf4TLsy3Gjp33mQWDsJYGgM3hgxn28ISp1fpc9yMfWaOJrnvgtiveIrgah7hmCgg= X-Sonic-ID: C;fM7CK1TD5BGLe+8Jj30JFw== M;BEY7LFTD5BGLe+8Jj30JFw== X-Spam-Flag: No X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin , src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Slawa Olhovchenkov X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 16:25:04 -0000 On 03/05/15 06:04, Dmitry Sivachenko wrote: > > > S> How to connect to mpd control socket?! > > pkg install mpd5 telnet > > OMG, please do not make nightmare one have on Linux or Solaris. Everything can be installed form packages but it is so inconvenient! > > It is so nice to have most useful stuff out of the box. Does it hurt you? Having all these things in base is so cool, please do not make Lego constructor everyone must use. > Disks are so large and cheap these days. Most important, there are many scripts that do this. One of the wonderful things about FreeBSD is that you can write scripts that target 'FreeBSD' and not have a dependency nightmare. Removing things from base breaks those scripts and makes this harder to do. In the case of telnet, the gain that balances this is 50K of space on the install media. I'm not sure anyone is seriously proposing to do this, but, just in case, having a stable and monolithic base system is one of FreeBSD's best features. Please don't destroy that. -Nathan