From nobody Thu Nov 16 03:31:08 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SW5Cy5B0Kz515S2; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 03:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SW5Cy4h5tz4TDL; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 03:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1700105470; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=zYsjPfX7A6+EJmjurvlHMHk6xNK53VeYV70cWZaz5MI=; b=jwwnoPb5/bAe1b0yHnHJf2t5P2Swe/l4FKcDco/2Gk2ri8lWkmfxQ7cTVy1o57V2589Uod uDqHfbBQSa1H0N14CJSSInOov9cjIkJf/cAyDjc2EWD/bHlOjJSft7sgBS0tN5lRZCLPeK CgdSDCUkirzsP97vshCAXCPsAyAi3qjpSvXBF/K8yu/c5Zq5EguO4Gt99Pa9h+jVUVrU8T N07y/9xgC/ZhO7HjlYwMwL1ntJ/F8UtVtPHSq1U9E7R/rfkbleneOGfEtVtexl2azKPlkF IxTgn6l7PlhKZc1221a19XkfDmLjEP3ZjT2XSXcqF3klv6Ra/8ceuNw0wDq2wA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1700105470; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=zYsjPfX7A6+EJmjurvlHMHk6xNK53VeYV70cWZaz5MI=; b=pIQpryeQ6MJDIcKJLOe8ZSF4GdDwS+xGQJphuUYoTjFBEBF5gohlM5NY9+LviyFJte397u uemS9s/a4KkjMMt/wWqQS9e0qzWGAAHB3X31sUY/2YDddC+Sgg5+74CUKXHrrOe0zl/dyo otsKaq43YvWSug0v7LGBApWXUt8Zt7C4pDf0YqaNstEiPK/WowlhcVXS++i7Diwo9v1Pn7 UmLmpgYH9ek+wMchMxXvmHbidxQzxG/MenCFFnrygTpSISfMlKhTG1LKKJnNceG4Ub9qc1 Q2ZHT1AhuUeJ6U8RI5MOZPvkyqdn2ZmRgyXthvaWQGRO41O7fWBUBlTq3xfnrA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1700105470; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=AV4pbHwXEkPkvaEYm/qx4fbC5AzdJCbq6wr26ZvbfHT3bNoctNAjKICPlmEQJGb5MyFUJ5 xcqEjnTLnnxjxp+girAceJx9tQEvSpJuxfM9O6IOENVLS0k+bmoX6WBeO0zCMD+rnqyFG8 bD7Me1TfiRAEXvuyaYzhX3/8cpTbX2p/nfwRFUnt8525NoaHiZC2TjW+0fVJHkDQZdr3Qi ppdDGcjt9ATQA3hfFWIqUf6pO5Dzofp6aCYeAYxjlK2/uFu1bciFB1WyYU6UCiBa1vGLOf 2dMbqLrPm7P5Ayj4TPjwLa16VD3ZegOI8/8RuU3YFIYDlPswjgOGeD9xdjZ3gw== Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15DF516843; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 03:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 03:31:08 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: Pete Wright Cc: John Baldwin , The Doctor , FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule Message-ID: <20231116033108.GP1307@FreeBSD.org> References: <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> <20231115022701.GM1307@FreeBSD.org> <20231115045231.GN1307@FreeBSD.org> <20231116003030.GO1307@FreeBSD.org> <23a4bd83-dca4-4e76-a513-9df6671d930d@nomadlogic.org> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BC0PqexbI+QDQ83Q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <23a4bd83-dca4-4e76-a513-9df6671d930d@nomadlogic.org> --BC0PqexbI+QDQ83Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 07:19:39PM -0800, Pete Wright wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 11/15/23 16:30, Glen Barber wrote: > > The alternative would be to say nothing at all. > >=20 > > Either way, it is a productivity, communication drain. It is > > a lose-lose situation no matter how one looks at it given the above > > context. We either get chastised for being "too open" into insights > > delaying an official announcement, or for being "not open enough" when > > there is silence from RE when a release does not meet its scheduled > > announcement date. > Glen I appreciate your transparency and the efforts you have done to keep > everyone in the loop.=A0 I think people get excited about new releases, w= hich is > probably a good thing.=A0 IMHO i feel you've been striking a good balance. >=20 > As an operator these updates are really helpful for me as it allows me to > adjust timelines on my end for updating my fleet of servers. You and the = RE > team do an incredible job - and personally I am thankful for the caution = and > common sense you all bring to this complex process. >=20 Thank you very much, Pete, for your email on this. It is appreciated by all of us involved in FreeBSD releases. 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