From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue Sep 12 22:48:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6F5E22E7E for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 22:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A5766966 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 22:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D5F17E22E7D; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 22:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57EEE22E7C for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 22:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [IPv6:2607:f2f8:abf8::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "orthanc.ca", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C006E66965 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 22:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by orthanc.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id v8CMmDhI063967 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Sep 2017 15:48:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 15:48:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Lyndon Nerenberg To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removal of catman from base In-Reply-To: <78909.1505251253@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: References: <20170912184200.GD99742@gmail.com> <77524.1505242222@critter.freebsd.dk> <78909.1505251253@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (BSF 202 2017-01-01) Organization: The Frobozz Magic Homing Pigeon Company MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on orthanc.ca X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 22:48:15 -0000 On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > I'm pretty sure that SVR1 had catman and roff was an extra and somewhat > pricey software package. The SVR1 (and 2) systems I had access to were all CTIX, and it shipped with nroff/troff. And the 3B4000 & 3B2s I used later (SVR2 and later) also had nroff/troff. Maybe you're thinking of ditroff (Device Independent Troff) that was sold for gobs of $$$ through the AT&T Toolchest. Certainly none of the SVRx machines I used shipped with ditroff. I don't even think ditroff was on our 3B2 SVR3 source tapes. But I very clearly recall the absense of manpage source on that SVR3 tape. I remember howling bloody murder at AT&T Canada over that. This was at Athabasca University - a distance education institution. We typeset all our own course materials (using Softquad's sqtroff), and not being able to include properly typeset manpages with the course documentation (especially reflecting our local modifications to the systems) made me ... grumpy. --lyndon