From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 14 18:57:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D9916A403 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:57:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11F813C48C for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:57:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.03) with ESMTP id l3EIvIwj030152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:57:18 -0700 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.10.45] (c-24-7-142-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.7.142.221]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.03) with ESMTP id l3EIvHQr023895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:57:17 -0700 Message-ID: <46212428.1010102@u.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:57:44 -0700 From: Garrett Cooper User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2a4057fc0704131021t60249c62k4107ee6cf9f1fb8f@mail.gmail.com> <86mz1ckqlc.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070413183656.E73976@fledge.watson.org> <86tzvjz2dr.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070414182309.GB302@demeter.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20070414182309.GB302@demeter.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 5.3.0.289146, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.0.283055, Antispam-Data: 2007.4.14.114434 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Subject: Re: I like Ubuntu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:57:18 -0000 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:17:20PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > >> doug@safeport.com writes: >> >>> First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors >>> Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI >>> switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that >>> depending on your hardware a FreeBSD workstation or laptop can be a >>> bit of a challenge. >>> >> My issues with FreeBSD as a desktop mostly come from the difficulty of >> installing software and keeping it up-to-date: 'pkg_add -r' and >> 'portupgrade -aP' simply can't hold a candle to 'apt-get install' and >> 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. >> > > What do you find lacking in the FreeBSD approach? I'm a relatively > recent transplant from Debian, and my experience is that FreeBSD > provides better, more predictable, and more customizable results, > without increasing the difficulty or reducing the convenience at all. > > Granted, I haven't really tried the package-based software management > options for FreeBSD in any depth -- I'm mostly installing from source at > this point -- but thus far I haven't any reason to expect package-based > installation to be any less easily managed than source-based installs. Well, we have some problems sometimes with cyclic dependencies (portinstall / portupgrade and friends), and people aren't really happy when names of categories / packages get changed (like what's happened recently with the revision of some of the port names), because there's a bit more work involved 'fixing' everything back to the same state that there was before. People also complain that there aren't enough offerings in terms of packages, but that's a resources issue from what I understand. Overall though, I do like FreeBSD's ports system better than I do debian's apt-get system :). Having to shuffle through all of those menus and pages package listings to install stuff was a pain. -Garrett