From owner-freebsd-security Wed Sep 29 6:31:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from atdot.dotat.org (atdot.dotat.org [150.101.89.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EAE14CE9 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:30:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from newton@atdot.dotat.org) Received: (from newton@localhost) by atdot.dotat.org (8.9.3/8.7) id WAA22821; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:56:54 +0930 (CST) From: Mark Newton Message-Id: <199909291326.WAA22821@atdot.dotat.org> Subject: Re: Help me win the MS-Proxy/ipfw war To: freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:56:54 +0930 (CST) Cc: scott@computeralt.com, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199909280731.AAA14183@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Sep 28, 99 00:31:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rodney W. Grimes wrote: [ outside consultancy ] > It may even end up convincing the PHB that FreeBSD/ipfw is what should > be preached to customers, and forgo the revenue generating stream that > NT/MS-Proxy service calls brings them in favor of not having to worry > about a law suite when the damn thing doesn't due the job and some customer > decides it was your companies fault. Well, yeah. I'm often left wondering why companies that sell IT services don't use open-source solutions for things like firewalls. Consider what happens when you install an MS-based firewall solution: You quote a price which is twice as high as it should be to install software which won't work (and which will thereby give you a bad reputation), and most of the revenue you get from doing the work will go back to MS in license fees for the exorbitantly expensive software you end up installing to do the job. On the other hand, you can install a FreeBSD box with ipfilter/ipfw, charge half the amount, spend half the time setting it up, never worry about whether it's going to spontaneously stop working, and keep all of the cash for yourself. I'm astonished that this stuff isn't obvious to MSCE types; Then again, if they were of the kind of mindset that found things like this obvious they wouldn't have set out to get MSCE status in the first place... - mark -------------------------------------------------------------------- I tried an internal modem, newton@atdot.dotat.org but it hurt when I walked. Mark Newton ----- Voice: +61-4-1620-2223 ------------- Fax: +61-8-82231777 ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message