From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 11 6: 0:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nscache2.x-treme.gr (mail1.x-treme.gr [212.120.196.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AFCE37B77E for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 05:59:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (pat3.x-treme.gr [212.120.197.195]) by nscache2.x-treme.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3/IPNG-ADV-ANTISPAM-0.1) with SMTP id PAA04415 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:59:49 +0200 Received: (qmail 96537 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Mar 2000 11:57:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:57:22 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Greg Lehey Cc: Cosmic 665 , cwalker@computech-ca.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000311135722.A96442@hades.hell.gr> Reply-To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr References: <20000309034055.68220.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000309142747.M58942@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000309142747.M58942@freebie.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 02:27:47PM +1030 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 62 45 D1 C9 26 F9 95 06 D6 21 2A C8 8C 16 C0 8E X-Phone-Number: +30-94-6203692, +30-93-2886457 X-Address: Theodorou Kirinaiou 61, 26334 Patra, Greece Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 02:27:47PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > > It happens :-) Usually I keep my mouth shut (Aunty Sue's orders). > >> as well as a book like "Unix Secrets" and "Uinx in a Nutshell". > > Really my book isn't for people learning UNIX, it's for people who > have some idea of UNIX who want to learn to use FreeBSD. So Caleb's > idea is, at least in theory, a good one. I'll have to agree with Greg here. The book was a tremendous help for me when I was first using BSD, and I've learned quite a few of the things that were different from Linux--which I was using until then. The same book, exactly same edition, was used before Christmas by a few friends of mine that wished to learn "Unix". Apart from asking me about a dozen or so questions, for each page they read, they didn't really make sense of most of the stuff; at least, not the first time through. > The real question is: what's a good book for learning UNIX? There > were none when I learnt UNIX, but one book I rather like is "UNIX > for the Impatient" by Abrahams and Larson (Addison Wesley). I'd > be interested in feedback from real newbies who have started out > with this book, because it will help me decide whether to continue > recommending it. That, and "The UNIX programming environment" (TUPE) by Rob Pike and Brian Kernighan were pretty good. When I was first learning Unix, TUPE was the only book our university library had. Some sparse hints of Unix knowledge are also to be found in "The C programming language", by Kernighan and Ritchie. The best learning experience for me was, though, when I had TUPE on my lap and a VT-320 terminal in front of me, logged into SunOS 4.3 and were constantly playing around with command options, pipes, scripts, etc. An experience for which I'm grateful to my university's CS department :) -- Giorgos Keramidas, < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr > For my public PGP key: finger keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr PGP fingerprint, phone and address in the headers of this message. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message