From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 03:03:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95817C7D; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 03:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2lp0211.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.211]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C81C01854; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 03:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BN3PR0301MB0835.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.154.145) by BN3PR0301MB0867.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.155.141) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1019.16; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 03:03:07 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df] (10.255.156.132) by BN3PR0301MB0835.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.154.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1015.19; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 03:03:05 +0000 Message-ID: <54053363.2030606@my.hennepintech.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 22:02:59 -0500 From: Andrew Berg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michelle Sullivan Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool References: <20140901195520.GB77917@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <54050D07.4010404@sorbs.net> <540522A3.9050506@sorbs.net> <54052891.5000104@my.hennepintech.edu> <54052B1D.3040607@sorbs.net> In-Reply-To: <54052B1D.3040607@sorbs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [10.255.156.132] X-ClientProxiedBy: CH1PR03CA005.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.255.156.150) To BN3PR0301MB0835.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.154.145) X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;UriScan:;UriScan:; X-Forefront-PRVS: 0322B4EDE1 X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(6009001)(24454002)(51704005)(199003)(189002)(65956001)(87266999)(54356999)(105586002)(95666004)(76176999)(106356001)(90102001)(110136001)(89122001)(64126003)(65816999)(47776003)(81342001)(20776003)(80022001)(107046002)(64706001)(83506001)(101416001)(50986999)(81542001)(88552001)(85306004)(93886004)(59896002)(21056001)(99136001)(87976001)(83072002)(86362001)(74502001)(23676002)(75432001)(50466002)(79102001)(99396002)(102836001)(92726001)(74662001)(117636001)(77096002)(31966008)(46102001)(83322001)(85852003)(76482001)(77982001)(92566001)(4396001)(42186005)(89472002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BN3PR0301MB0835; H:[IPv6:2601:2:4780:2fd:3cfa:1b41:db29:34df]; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:0; MX:1; LANG:en; X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:; X-OriginatorOrg: my.hennepintech.edu Cc: pkg@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin , FreeBSD Current , stable@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org, "Sam Fourman Jr." X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 03:03:24 -0000 On 2014.09.01 21:27, Michelle Sullivan wrote: > Actually it's an inconvenience for someone like me and you. Not for > many freebsd users, and certainly not for me 6 months ago if I hadn't > been writing my own ports.... oh and what was it, 1.3.6 -> 1.3.7? broke > shit... (badly) ... There were instructions for upgrading 1.3.6 to 1.3.7 alongside a notice that things would not be good if the instructions were not followed and an explanation of the issue. I think these kinds of notices need to reach more people, but of course, that is easier said than done. BTW, from what I have observed, 1.3.x issues have affected Poudriere users the most, binary package users a bit less (but still significantly), and pure ports users very little. >> Also, 9.3 is out and the 9.2 EOL is not far away. Not sure why you would be >> doing a new install with 9.2. >> > Try getting yourself a FreeBSD server at Softlayer... They still > install 7.x for Christ's sake (amongst others - but last time I checked, > on new servers, 8.4, 9.0, 9.1, 10.0*) Fair enough. > (not had time - because an EOL message is not a 'It will not > work after this date' message it is a 'you're unsupported after this > date and things *might* not work as expected' No, it means "we're not supporting this any more, so we don't care if there are new vulnerabilities or things stop working". I'm not going to dictate to other people what their upgrade schedule should be, but anyone running unsupported versions of software should not have any expectation that the ecosystem around it will be accommodating. The ports tree already requires a lot work to make sure everything works on supported versions of FreeBSD, and I see no reason whatsoever for anyone to put effort into making it work on EOL versions.