From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 22 17:11:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631DB37B405 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:11:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from df-inet1.exchange.microsoft.com (df-inet1.exchange.microsoft.com [131.107.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7151243EDC for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:11:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from a-chrisf@exchange.microsoft.com) Received: from DF-YURI.platinum.corp.microsoft.com ([10.197.0.60]) by df-inet1.exchange.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5255); Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:11:55 -0800 Received: from DF-VRS-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.4.14]) by DF-YURI.platinum.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3718.0); Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:11:19 -0800 Received: from 10.197.0.48 by DF-VRS-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:11:19 -0800 Received: from DF-BEG.platinum.corp.microsoft.com ([10.197.0.83]) by DF-STIMPY.platinum.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3718.0); Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:11:19 -0800 Received: from df-muttley.platinum.corp.microsoft.com ([10.197.1.66]) by DF-BEG.platinum.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:11:19 -0800 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: BSD or Linux? 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Thread-Index: AcKp/I4ztp6aU6xjSZi5n5yMfRWawAAIvzXA From: "Chris Fox (Excell Data Corporation)" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2002 01:11:19.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[32F297F0:01C2AA20] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C2A9DD.23188030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: John Murphy [mailto:jfm@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:56 PM To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD or Linux? >Yup. I've never tried a Linux variant myself; sometimes tempted but... I've just 'looked at' a friends win2k PC which was _very_ unstable. Trying to get some low level access to it was a nightmare, as is trying to explain to someone how to do any kind of configuration to a Microsoft OS via email "Left click Start..." Huh? Windows2000 unstable? I don't think I've ever heard that from anyone except maybe some kiddie on slashdot. W2K is extremely stable and is more so than most versions of Linux I've used. It's also a lot easier to administer. Anyone who told you to "click" on something to administer in Windows is someone who probably rides a bicycle with the training wheels on it. I do Linux, BSD, and Windows and while I prefer the unices for anything network-related, and while I don't gloss over Windows' real weaknesses of MS' business practices, I won't sit back and let this go unremarked: Windows is *way* easier to administer than any version of UNIX, and that includes RedHat and Mandrake Linux. The barriers to entry in Windows are trivial; the barriers to entry in UNIX are quite high. Try getting anything done in BSD without knowing some UNIX editor, and try learning that editor with any expectation that anything else you know helps. It doesn't. 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