From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 4 06:36:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D848516A4CE; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 06:36:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6623E43D31; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 06:36:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([192.168.0.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i24EaXEL003751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:36:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:36:42 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Josef El-Rayes Message-Id: <20040304093642.52e31fe2@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040304141428.GA300@jenny.daemon.li> References: <200403041237.i24CbeJO007008@repoman.freebsd.org> <20040304141428.GA300@jenny.daemon.li> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: doc-committers@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mail chapter.sgml X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:36:35 -0000 On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 15:14:28 +0100 Josef El-Rayes wrote: > Tom Rhodes wrote: > > Log: > > Explain an outgoing only configuration. > > As i stated before on the doc mailinglists, i am not > happy with this chapter. What is the reason why this > should be included in a _FreeBSD specific_ book? > This has nothing to do with FreeBSD. > If a user has problems with email he looks for > documentation of email software he wants to use. Instead of explaining your dislikes about this chapter, how about you `fix' it? It's out of date, parts are broken, and the markup needs tidied up. Furthermore, this has nothing to do with 'email specific' software, it explains how to set up FreeBSD for mail send only server. Perhaps if it was: ``How to set up Microsoft Exchange.'' then I would agree that this is useless. > > In my opinion this does not belong into the handbook > and makes it bloat (it is already big enough and > we should not feed it with stuff like that). Then why not go and hack up a copy of the handbook to your specifications and show -doc your version? Since you think it should pertain only to FreeBSD, then I suggest you either remove the following sections or rewrite them to be specific to FreeBSD: 3.9 Shells: Discusses bash and zsh (ports, no base) Chapter 5, X: X is not in the base system Chapter 7, Security: Discusses ports Chapter 12, Storage: Discusses ports Chapter 15, Desktop Applications: Discusses ports Chapter 16, Multimedia: Discusses ports Chapter 20, Electronic Mail: Discusses ports and alternative MTAs and the like, I'm sure there are many other parts of the handbook that say: To do this, install this port, configure like so. Those should be removed too. > > perhaps we could summarize the chapter and include it > in the faq: > > "how can i send problem reports without the overhead > of installing a MTA" Because that is only one of many parts which this small section addresses. And I do mean small in comparison to other sections I have wrote and added. -- Tom Rhodes