From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 14:47:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF24416A4FC for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao08.cox.net (lakemtao08.cox.net [68.1.17.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB7F43F75 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:47:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kitbsdlists@HotPOP.com) Received: from fortytwo ([68.109.49.234]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20030924214716.YUBC16616.lakemtao08.cox.net@fortytwo>; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:47:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:46:11 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: twig les Message-Id: <20030924164611.479dfefa.kitbsdlists@HotPOP.com> In-Reply-To: <20030924163027.60899.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030924163027.60899.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: advocacy@freebsd.org cc: Randi Harper Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a desktop OS was Re: Sorry X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:47:22 -0000 On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:30:27 -0700 (PDT) twig les wrote: > Neener neener? Hahaha. I think the point is that RH is > shooting to be a desktop for ppl who can't recompile a kernel, > will never know how to recompile a kernel and don't ever want to > know what a kernel is. The key is abstraction...*heavy* > abstraction. I point again to Mac. > > To get FreeBSD on my laptop I had to recompile the kernel for my > NIC, and it took me awhile to figure out that when I enabled > sound (another kernel rebuild) I had to tell it in the kernel to > use a specific IRQ bc it booted my NIC out of its IRQ. This > isn't whining, aside from some frustration I enjoyed learning > the OS better, but my dad will *never* do that. Neither will my > wife, sister, the lady in HR, the CFO, etc. > > To be honest I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from my own > line of reasoning. I don't like the idea of core FBSD members > working on making a GUI for everything under the sun, but > without a team doing constant and professional coding I don't > see what chance we have of surplanting M$ and stopping my > mailbox from filling up with virii. Having the option for it could be good. But it should be made sure that it is clear what is happening at the command line level or whatever.