From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 24 10:18:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0EC16A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (unknown [69.27.131.0]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5C943D31 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:17:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kadmin@archangel.daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])i2OHuELH026679; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:56:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kadmin@archangel.daleco.biz) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (archangel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26066-06; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:56:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i2OHu6U3026671; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:56:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kadmin@archangel.daleco.biz) Received: (from root@localhost) by archangel.daleco.biz (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i2OHu4vq026670; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:56:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kadmin) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:56:04 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey To: Jerry McAllister Message-ID: <20040324175604.GC25716@archangel.daleco.biz> References: <4060C422.8070207@daleco.biz> <200403241501.i2OF1C023831@clunix.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200403241501.i2OF1C023831@clunix.cl.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at archangel.daleco.biz cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Randy Pratt cc: Chris Subject: Re: Need assitance installin FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:18:00 -0000 On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 10:01:11AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > >You burn the CD, boot it, do the preliminary stuff and then when selecting > > >install media, choose ftp and then pick a site that is convenient from > > >the list and it handles all the rest. If you have a good high speed > > >net connection - at a university or something, it takes less than > > >an hour. > > > > > As I said, not necessary until you get around to something > > not listed above. See my earlier post on my strategy for this. > > You barely have a system at that level - at least not what we > generally think of as real server or development environments. > > ////jerry > Perhaps, and we're now to the point of pointless discussion; these facts are self-evident and we're basically agreeing, but you do have "the base system." If you read these code words in any FreeBSD documentation, "the base system" refers to just what's on the mini-ISO. If nothing else, we should remind people of that fact. Now, for an httpd server, you're quite right; at the very minimum you'd need to fetch a tarball and go the old "tar, ./configure, make && make install", but I'd argue a tad that you can very well call a base FreeBSD system a "real server" as it is quite possible to run a mail/ftp/ntp/shell(ssh, telnet, rsh) box with nothing more than a mini-ISO disk. I don't run my servers with just that software, because I can't afford to use one box for mail, another for http, etc.,; but it's a viable installation alternative. If I grab a full ISO for, say, 5.2, the source and docs for that will be outdated before very long. If I just install base and then cvsup my docs/source/ports, I can have "cutting edge" in a rather short time and a quicker download in the first place. Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P.