From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue Aug 27 05:26:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534BDCA7A5 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 05:26:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rebecca@bsdio.com) Received: from muon.bsdio.com (muon.bluestop.org [65.103.231.193]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46HcmC2vnXz4Pqp for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 05:26:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rebecca@bsdio.com) Received: from muon.bsdio.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.bsdio.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB4EF756E; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from muon.bsdio.com ([127.0.0.1]) by muon.bsdio.com (muon.bsdio.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 91MKuQLeA9r4; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from photon.int.bluestop.org (unknown [10.0.10.120]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by muon.bsdio.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: HELP: UEFI/ZFS Boot failure: Ignoring Boot000A: Only one DP found To: Warner Losh Cc: "O. Hartmann" , Toomas Soome , greg@unrelenting.technology, Karl Denninger , freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <20190821232334.433d285c@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20190821195847.577a165b@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <48D9A1D1-5A54-4FED-8DC8-40C9A5C9BE3A@me.com> <20190821213052.25d61cb4@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <480F8DE0-A38F-4BCA-9F36-0D812CDB7DD8@me.com> <20190821223140.643f6c63@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <483d59b24a636d0214555610350b8d73@unrelenting.technology> <20190822050509.64c88a51@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <12E83654-1104-408E-9A1E-BE79308B9A92@me.com> <20190826132150.6f748419@freyja> From: Rebecca Cran Autocrypt: addr=rebecca@bsdio.com; keydata= mQINBFrUMZ4BEADI1yUEGeZeXeTCPay1ZpTBdDEpGPAw1dq2VCSTc1VhsnrEBa1iZxAfaeSv Uu5Ti7jlhQ/3sQMl0bJMKGB/RtmIW7k8h2w476oZmG8gChk8su5ZEx/pV1gdqInyFmmJKTYc gabJz8pL+m82w07qPv+oalepZ4dbj+HF++RAK/iEju+q9UHlsjj8e3mMNsvtrOz1K6bnpveO jZ+ms/2H3Hs5a4k8y6buwe2RvwhJQaXa13cR3LhzL+nwj4B9PHZZEa2WpEyYpw/bI0V9YSQN QgC1CYRzDyakZge6BCM6wHOgZSUzRPufGilrNKUwIVbRoIBR9/85+0wR+PlFUOUOfOc6ox7T dWcIx6PuPhek48rh4uwmmwsPtPiH4Z3T5p+GmWQ9NLFZKA1YnEdaSkWtYZsDxwVZZeYG2plt MfhXP0Hj4rf9Y3eoUenCaGioxAbUOBCtXdTGNAhNjz1g5NGDBVyhjKkzwJQvt9UrYTseERit 5dX2CMTy8hYLvSXd/Ivy+HylUS5IslfZxW5z9LgWX7Z97kILgkH3N0ewtLkygkG+Y+x7uaAV dFqp9ASOyzaiwKbJdeOI+WxRSh+AqeCR0S+bpkcLudLmbjrPmaFwjKycy1H85Z5R2J3YHyXY oT6OYjD8vLbUU2GWp6Onkcy1Pu8EMbRuzKil6HnpYg3BexbPFwARAQABtCNSZWJlY2NhIENy YW4gPHJlYmVjY2FAYmx1ZXN0b3Aub3JnPokCVwQTAQgAQQIbIwUJCWYBgAULCQgHAgYVCgkI CwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgBYhBB+5fZtkTdO940Yr4g0CK1MRvhAgBQJa2B9zAhkBAAoJEA0CK1MR vhAgzJEQAJUqVmTRO9OqCSS2CVKjrqnEWJMvyo0K8B+WiXo0nSQg9+uyoVU7h2s/kkWVGy4u IWbGy2Qe8LiXzBJjHC3TadGvOvakfdMeKKXcgxgX6KlhA9hA2LW6tg22aHUk7Flr/8diHpgf qIwrXhqJXZmK72GR1QfhgoHsOsTJ9GWPswo1kUMc0cJowq0qP1RDdua6BwvDHHPJwu9OmC/i oQlMNm9gkBDq8H2B+m125ANwCnqBizXaiTTLQdewTMbCSuxbsni2icDqwBfFXzEgcJGaYYfB cQeFsfCmtXQK3JUd4Myx128Dxk9P3X64I93SB7QzB0nmWlyvmCFBNoCp0PCLA4qbwbw2sMRX Wx4BqYa8nI/jg+Nqo+Ut2BfltNZIlsHxK+XhxejfLqAjRCZeLnu1otvFnFuGLaAVYx9x1Y1q J8VizZxq6ujio62Qpultp6KNhlkJ+OKoGwA0k4NHh26SxvlsNxlfg/2v9b1LqWRzNujnwbcF 8g4902XjyBLxV+9YpXZEa8H6zzEHxpeDPWT3QfvrT8JuoHa1IyYnUKvG674UKW5zEGEwkQc9 cuQwR1RHd1ZrKtH1duXzaLr/caMp8ZDfGDDxFpenJTRxNRlg4+K7HSdhpac7sBVMUA8uVdE+ iuTThOmdf0c4DorL3BIh6Yv3FV4/NSqT1Wn3CG2fgG1guQINBFrUMZ4BEADkc4mvMcMcDF1t dNxNQuIBE1F243oZamG3LACCKfc1Yur3CPzHwIk5LXCUmbq23iE5bowxMWw3mlVT0p5xM0Wn UidIBwCKu4kRyy/fY4NyWWBuwy9srpTdmUcKRBRNB8zEZE8xIlidD1ijjgqLBfeM7n9ylawA xHLxwU96sdpdHFzb7Z0yKY2e/bzDaHiG0fUvcCmkgLf+uwKKZid1j8zR5PzKpgPqfy/PF01e KyGV3MNu8Y90xMoiEMWfCI2IB1m+hTuzZoboFvGV54SiMuvfWK/VMQjhsL6K2ddOqwVuy2nI MI4G3xDQW/v8KVyn43OSIAyW1eaklhzu0Ir2sO60PXRkvbTUrouvmSvpJfIQS49rU0M/X6FS DgXQLKrZ3my94+g8ptz9KoVml6s4OAwYVz+sb49nuSxipFKkU5FwhKOLmzbsBxCtytcUJoLm juJPJPDQue6YJiIXyc86GVY2pH3DjemKdbB4dSgqAJIp+lCzKSJzz7bgueh2Ox8vzx1tSxKj 7V8Nal+UTKKbkxPmMh+e20YZ4esAVifO3bS6IJP/aDnfagghB71vA7+aWGXPbjPlc2UHpCBi RSsl+IgoQXvdvZBsKRyfBx8neODa2C6JIE5vcaCjilSeKF8SzsFXvimnndhQNhAPU/DwQwSX dCl4gTsFVi5d8Oxq1sce+wARAQABiQI8BBgBCAAmFiEEH7l9m2RN073jRiviDQIrUxG+ECAF AlrUMZ4CGwwFCQlmAYAACgkQDQIrUxG+ECAWnRAAsmZX+KgNxW3v7R/76Tz4Wjmh4AGeE+Ji 3p5QsdTYny1B6vYBL9vCzPJ/AK8pgKMDRaweUP5eZQpfrdWC8Q7SNGgi4Q+97KEs+i2xZLQ+ WJb8a+WEEIc716u0y4ITiHfOgM5jWcFO4MXQATbJgv0drLLesa+LQCvZgPBqupt307EsCubQ s+Sxt+RVjf6rOUolp1GJXEQYwGsKklVd6yqLC8M1BSG53/WE5tSv5GzBZ8fp6EtmjT7leuid FtEvKYHQz4DqG9ELpHUF0X0UUCBK/MgXe3kCVLKE060UrJ4M6uPSx57rmVFA2MvwQR8M7GsW C5UsSM4PYwPWBhwxE7vcx0691YKAHT/5q8LxRVBdUyzPSprMhSQFttsBt+ygm6wRi3Pi3TuC EARNubPkQefyeC34yr40SAUCkOl3eWxSXPF4NfXFQb4AAzZSE5hv3qbDuwo3lrL0LqpIpEQP Az+JZ1QZ6mMFQ5/JD9Gukj54kZc0X8w3sQt0a8vyE/qrJg8vKgv2rCHrPc5MeDkEUEFiiJiC EDdkJtMyoRlU3S4NrnbyLOLEcHE8fGe3hStPX8hY62id2ecdQ5WZ7vLZW5SFeLarbUciuHIk VL6MHnUjbV7XlY50N7ebeFCIdlCWhdum2FJs/Ni+SSxbZC564vrokwlBBGSo6WTPQTa8IWx1 DtU= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:25:58 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; 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IP_SCORE(-1.89)[ip: (-9.38), asn: 209(-0.04), country: US(-0.05)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 05:26:04 -0000 On 2019-08-26 23:08, Warner Losh wrote: > > That's the first machine I've seen where you have to set the name like > that... there is a larger story here and we are getting incomplete reports > because it doesn't quite make sense yet... > > But there are enough reasons not to do that by default. For one thing, it > messes up rEFInd, or can. Windows doesn't install there. At most we should > prompt for older machines. We shouldn't mortgage our future to cope with a > legacy we know will sunset soon... Both Windows and Linux install \EFI\BOOT\BOOTx64.efi because that's the default that gets run if there aren't any BootXXXX variables. And yes, Windows 10 does install there. On my system I have /EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi and \EFI\Microsoft\{Boot,Recovery}, where /EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi is the same binary as bootmgfw.efi. I'm not convinced this is something that's about older systems, and that will go away. -- Rebecca Cran