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Date:      Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:40:05 +0600 (ESS)
From:      Ilia Chipitsine <ilia@cgilh.chel.su>
To:        "Ronald G. Minnich" <rminnich@lanl.gov>
Cc:        Chuck Youse <cyouse@paradox.nexuslabs.com>, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: why FFS is THAT slower than EXT2 ?
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910272334300.760-100000@localhost.cgu.chel.su>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SGI.4.10.9910271026500.671784-100000@acl.lanl.gov>

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On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Ronald G. Minnich wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Chuck Youse wrote:
> 
> > One of the biggest reasons for the difference:  FreeBSD, by default,
> > performs _synchronous_ metadata updates, and Linux performs asynchronous
> > metadata updates.  
> > 
> > It's definitely a bit slower, but the payoff is in reliability.  I have
> > seen more than one [production!] Linux machine completely trash its
> > filesystems because the implementors decided that their "NT-killer" must
> > have good performance at the expense of serious, production-quality
> > reliability.
> 
> 
> To put it slightly more strongly: as far as I'm concerned ext2 is not a

as far as I remember ext2 has some "counter". I used to use Linux and
it performed 'fsck' from time to time (even if fs was clearly unmounted).
that is a very good thing to have.

I do not recall that FreeBSD did such thing.
 
> serious fs if you really care about handling power failures and other such
> fun things. In clusters as small as 64 machines I've measured a 5%

what is standard deviation equal to ? "lanl" means Los-Alamos National
Laboratory ? 
 
> probability that after a power failure one of the 64 ext2 file systems
> will have a trashed root file system. With freebsd, over a four-year span,
> running through lots of power outages, I didn't lose an FFS file system

I DID lose FFS even it was mounted "sync", not async.

> even *once* (except for the disk that burned up, but not even FFS can fix
> that one). 
> 
> ext2 needs a lot of help. Evidently it will be getting it soon, though. 
> 
> ron
> 
> 
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