Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:24:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Phillips <chris@selkie.org> To: DAve Goodrich <dave@pixelhammer.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Primitive tools Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0006301018590.59344-100000@shell.selkie.org> In-Reply-To: <200006301659.JAA13971@otonabee.pixelhammer.com>
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Primitive? I think that is perhaps the wrong choice of words. Basic? lynx certainly is. vi basic? I think not. I use both tools regularily. What happens when you need to look at apache's server-status and there is no GUI available? I certainly wouldn't want to run X on a production server just to be able to look at needed information. In my opinion vi is the most powerful editor out there. Emacs is a close second. Not sure what you see in joe. -Chris Phillips On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, DAve Goodrich wrote: > on 6/30/00 4:07 AM, lex manno at lexmanno@yahoo.com wrote: > > > hi there, > > > > Well, I've been using FBSD for almost a year now and I > > was wondering. Isn't it about time to remove primitive > > stuff like vi and lynx from the o.s.? > > > > I mean, when there are editors like Joe and Emacs and > > browsers like Netscape, why do we need to keep all > > these antiquated monsters? > > > > For God's sake, let us modernize! > > > > bye, > > lex > > This is long but bear with me lex, the story if worth it. > > Three years ago I was a Mac only web admin. I loved it, much better than > some other OS choices for serving pages, very stable and fast *if* you > know what you are doing. I decided to get into Unix for the more > powerfull tools, the first draw was SQL of course. > > I tried Debian, would never install. Tried Redhat, ever heard that Johnny > Cash song about the Cadillac? (it's a 55, 56, 57......... I build it one > piece at a time....) That was RedHat to me, very patchy with pieces from > a dozen different places. Tried Slackware, very nice, very clean and > trim. It's still my choice on my Laptop. Then I tried FreeBSD. Whoo baby > I was hooked. I have several servers running FBSD now, all headless, all > remotely admin'd using vim and lynx. > > I learned about vim and lynx one dark stormy night when one of my servers > (running X, for the modern cool config tools that used a mouse and > buttons and checkboxes and such) went south because I made a boo boo when > I rebooted the box. I went into a panic, nothing worked, mail bouncing > right and left, web server down, it was a nightmare. > > I fixed it after 40hrs plus learning the hardway how to be a REAL server > admin. I stayed in single user mode reading man pages to learn the > commands I should have known, using lynx to read HTML docs and how-tos on > how vi and ex worked. > > You see vi and lynx as primitive because they don't have the bells and > whistles. I see vi and lynx as MORE powerful because they don't NEED the > bells and whistles. > > I've recently tried code commander, kphpdevelop, quanta, bluefish, cool > edit, all as replacements for BBedit on the Mac (I'm moving all my > development work to Unix now also) After six months of trying these > ginchie editors I'm moving back to VIM and GVIM. They work, they are > stable, they don't do mysterious things to my files. > > They are tools I can depend on. I'd rather give up X. > > DAve > -- > Dave Goodrich > Director of Interface Development > Reality Based Learning Company > 9521 NE Willows Road, Suite 100 > Redmond, WA 98052 > Toll Free 1-877-869-6603 ext. 237 > Fax (425) 558-5655 > daveg@rblc.com > Web Site www.rblc.com > > -- > "On the Plains of Hesitation bleach the bones of countless millions who, > at > the Dawn of Victory, sat down to wait, and > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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