Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:05:36 -0800 (PST) From: Gordon Vrololjak <gvrdolja@nature.Berkeley.EDU> To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." <kdk@daleco.biz> Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updating question (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0312171401100.1615@nature.Berkeley.EDU> In-Reply-To: <3FDFDA85.2070707@daleco.biz> References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0312041636010.17776@nature.Berkeley.EDU> <Pine.GSO.4.58.0312161713181.184@nature.Berkeley.EDU> <3FDFDA85.2070707@daleco.biz>
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Thanks for the help Kevin, >From the handbook they give a lot of warnings about backing up the system, checking /etc/groups for discrepencies, etc... makes me sort of worried about losing everything including the kernel I recompiled for the sytem after doing a make world. I was wondering too, why the commands mentioned in the handbook don't work for me? ie: from handbook: The solution is to examine /usr/src/etc/group and compare its list of groups with your own. If there are any groups in the new file that are not in your file then copy them over. Similarly, you should rename any groups in /etc/group which have the same GID but a different name to those in /usr/src/etc/group. ... but I find I don't have /usr/src/etc/group Thanks, Gordon \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Gordon Ante Vrdoljak Electron Microscope Lab ICQ 23243541 http://nature.berkeley.edu/~gvrdolja 26 Giannini Hall gvrdolja@nature.berkeley.edu UC Berkeley phone (510) 642-2085 Berkeley CA 94720-3330 fax (510) 643-6207 cell (510) 290-6793 On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > Gordon Vrololjak wrote: > > >Ouch... ! That means I should try the make world method and recompile > >everything? Seems less of a pain to reinstall. Or should I do a > >'portupgrade -a' after updating with cvsup? > > > >I just want to keep up with security updates to keep the system secure. > >Gordon > > > > > > > > Well, "make world/make buildkernel" et al doesn't make you > create off-box backups and leave you with a non-running > system while you wipe a disk and start over, for one thing... ;-) > > Or maybe I misunderstand what you're saying.... > > It really would depend a bit on your hardware. My servers > do their rebuilds overnight, generally. At home, on Athlon > 1800+, the building probably takes less time then d'loading > new source over the modem .... couple of hours max. And, > like I said, I can usually do some work while it does its thing; > just have to reboot after "make installkernel". Surely not > *much* worse than "Windows Update" (at least not when > a new SP comes out ;-) ). > > If you just want to stay secure, for many "advisories" there > is a patch submitted against the "buggy" code. You apply > the patch and then recompile/reinstall only the program(s) > that are affected. > > Every once in a while it's a biggy (sendmail, BIND, etc.) > and "make world" seems a good alternative. I almost > always use "make world", because, as I said, it's little > skin off my nose, and I like bright shiny new toys ... ;-) > > As for your ports, "portupgrade" is wonderful. But, if you've > any quantity of them, it can be quite a big deal. I've done > "portupgrade -arR" twice on my desktop system. Two days, > generally; as stated, a lot of that is just downloading the new > source. I have XFree, Gnome, 3 other wm's, Apache, PHP, GIMP, > MySQL, Acroread, Mozilla, Opera, JDK ... tons of stuff to > upgrade each time. God forbid I ever install Openoffice.... :o > > If you're just concerned about security, I'd just "portupgrade" > which ever program has the new version out, although after a > while you get behind with dependencies. In these days of ADSL > and cable modems, it doesn't seem that big of a deal to me (I just > wish I could get it here in the sticks....) > > Also, I hope it's clear that "make world" and "portupgrade" do > two different things ... one rebuilds the base system, the other > rebuilds most 3rd party SW you have installed.... > > KDK > > >>For the system itself, use the method shown > >>in the FreeBSD handbook ("new" method, Chapter > >>21 "The Cutting Edge"). > >> > >>For 3rd party software, install from the ports tree, > >>then use portupgrade (also in ports) to keep up > >>with the changes. An excellent article by Dru Lavigne: > >> > >>http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html > >> > >>HTH, > >> > >>Kevin Kinsey > >> > >> >
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