From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 14 19:16:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA60016A403 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:16:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8046A13C458 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:16:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3EJGCFt094677; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:16:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id l3EJGBea094672; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:16:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:16:11 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com X-X-Sender: doug@fledge.watson.org To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <86tzvjz2dr.fsf@dwp.des.no> Message-ID: <20070414125712.L73976@fledge.watson.org> References: <2a4057fc0704131021t60249c62k4107ee6cf9f1fb8f@mail.gmail.com> <86mz1ckqlc.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070413183656.E73976@fledge.watson.org> <86tzvjz2dr.fsf@dwp.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-734569073-1176578171=:73976" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Claude Menski , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I like Ubuntu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@fledge.watson.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:16:19 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-734569073-1176578171=:73976 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > doug@safeport.com writes: >> First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors >> Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI >> switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that >> depending on your hardware a FreeBSD workstation or laptop can be a >> bit of a challenge. > > My issues with FreeBSD as a desktop mostly come from the difficulty of > installing software and keeping it up-to-date: 'pkg_add -r' and > 'portupgrade -aP' simply can't hold a candle to 'apt-get install' and > 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. > > Because of my background, the things that were/are wrong with packages and = ports=20 led me to learn much more about FreeBSD. I chose to answer your email not= =20 because of any disagreement with what you said, but to offer up the idea th= at at=20 least in selected instances there might be something to learn from doing th= is. In my case this included leaning to think in 'Unix', and reaching an=20 understanding with (rather than of) regular expressions, sed, and awk. My workstation/laptop hardware does not really allow the option of building= =20 things like KDE and OpenOffice, so I upgrade basically by starting over wit= h=20 packages. I usually can do this in an hour or so. When I first started, I f= ound=20 the differences between BSDI, FreeBSD, and Linux confusing. Now mostly its = more=20 of an irritant than having to use my son's mac to watch ESPN videos. --0-734569073-1176578171=:73976--