From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 14 06:38:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E79F16A400 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 06:38:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2C813C44B for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 06:38:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B126A20A7; Mon, 14 May 2007 08:38:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B98A20A6; Mon, 14 May 2007 08:38:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0242A5638; Mon, 14 May 2007 08:38:16 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?utf-8?Q?Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=) To: Tom Judge References: <20070512004209.GA12218@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <17989.8202.624522.136573@bhuda.mired.org> <20070512090935.GA13929@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <86r6pkzhso.fsf@dwp.des.no> <46479A4A.1070103@tomjudge.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:38:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <46479A4A.1070103@tomjudge.com> (Tom Judge's message of "Mon\, 14 May 2007 00\:07\:54 +0100") Message-ID: <86wszbyko7.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mike Meyer , Michel Talon Subject: Re: DPS Initial Ideas X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 06:38:21 -0000 Tom Judge writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > > Michel Talon writes: > > > Seriously, the FreeBSD package system is in great need of a profound > > > overhaul, pretending it works well is complete denial of reality. > > Perhaps, but I seriously doubt that you are the correct person for the > > job. > This is exactly the kind of response that will push people away from > the project/community. If everyone that suggests some change that a > respected member of the community did not like and then said member > sent a response like this I would guess that people would stop > suggesting any changes/features. > > It is this kind of attitude that will drive new blood away from the > project. I thought the idea was to try to encourage people to make > improvements to the project rather than to drive them away. I have no intention of driving Michel away, but he does not have the necessary experience to undertake the project he proposes. There is a reason why people have been discussing this for ten years without getting anywhere. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no